Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

Noise complaints can be racist. Particularly when discussing the intersection where Florida Avenue and Georgia Avenue meet. That shop on the corner has always played loud vibrant GoGo music since the 90s. It's part of the charm. There is no reason to cite people for exercising their first amendment rights.

Seems more racist to claim that only one race disregards the law.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

DC has very prescriptive noise ordinances:
https://dob.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dob/Noise%20Regulation%20Handbook.pdf

Musical instruments, loudspeakers, radio, tape recorder, TV, CD player, stereo, and car stereos, unamplified voices
Maximum Level (in dB): 60 or zone max
Time: Any
Measurement Locations: 1 meter from source

MPD is supposed to enforce this. If they are refusing to enforce, then this constitutes a work stand-down.

Next step is for local residents to file for injunctive relief with the DC Courts for the Mayor's office to act on the issue. So get a local attorney in the neighborhood to draw up an action for relief. The protestors must keep all amplified sound at 60db or less when measured from 1 meter away. If you can hear it on Yuma Street, it's breaking the noise ordinance.

That law says that First Amendment protests are exempted from noise control between the hours of 9pm and 7am, with no limited on decibel level, even as measured from inside residentially zoned buildings.

Comparing to the wording of street drummers exemption in the next paragraph, it really reads to me as the author of the document (not sure if it matches the law) is illiterate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

I may be naive, but why would it be racist to enforce a noise ordinance? A noise ordinance is designed to protect all people.

Look at the people who want the enforcement
Look at the area where they want enforcement.
Look at the people they want targeted.
#naivenomore

The people that live near the noise want to target the people making the noise. Not everything has to be some nutty conspiracy. THEY aren’t always out to get you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

DC has very prescriptive noise ordinances:
https://dob.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dob/Noise%20Regulation%20Handbook.pdf

Musical instruments, loudspeakers, radio, tape recorder, TV, CD player, stereo, and car stereos, unamplified voices
Maximum Level (in dB): 60 or zone max
Time: Any
Measurement Locations: 1 meter from source

MPD is supposed to enforce this. If they are refusing to enforce, then this constitutes a work stand-down.

Next step is for local residents to file for injunctive relief with the DC Courts for the Mayor's office to act on the issue. So get a local attorney in the neighborhood to draw up an action for relief. The protestors must keep all amplified sound at 60db or less when measured from 1 meter away. If you can hear it on Yuma Street, it's breaking the noise ordinance.

If you hear noise, call MPD to complain 202-715-7300. Call the mayor’s office and Matt Frumin’s office too 202-724-8062

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

I may be naive, but why would it be racist to enforce a noise ordinance? A noise ordinance is designed to protect all people.

Look at the people who want the enforcement
Look at the area where they want enforcement.
Look at the people they want targeted.
#naivenomore

You want to tell us what you're insinuating, Comrade?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

DC has very prescriptive noise ordinances:
https://dob.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dob/Noise%20Regulation%20Handbook.pdf

Musical instruments, loudspeakers, radio, tape recorder, TV, CD player, stereo, and car stereos, unamplified voices
Maximum Level (in dB): 60 or zone max
Time: Any
Measurement Locations: 1 meter from source

MPD is supposed to enforce this. If they are refusing to enforce, then this constitutes a work stand-down.

Next step is for local residents to file for injunctive relief with the DC Courts for the Mayor's office to act on the issue. So get a local attorney in the neighborhood to draw up an action for relief. The protestors must keep all amplified sound at 60db or less when measured from 1 meter away. If you can hear it on Yuma Street, it's breaking the noise ordinance.

Has DOB/DCLP been out to take readings? Because from the link, it looks like they are the first step.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

I may be naive, but why would it be racist to enforce a noise ordinance? A noise ordinance is designed to protect all people.

Look at the people who want the enforcement
Look at the area where they want enforcement.
Look at the people they want targeted.
#naivenomore

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

DC has very prescriptive noise ordinances:
https://dob.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dob/Noise%20Regulation%20Handbook.pdf

Musical instruments, loudspeakers, radio, tape recorder, TV, CD player, stereo, and car stereos, unamplified voices
Maximum Level (in dB): 60 or zone max
Time: Any
Measurement Locations: 1 meter from source

MPD is supposed to enforce this. If they are refusing to enforce, then this constitutes a work stand-down.

Next step is for local residents to file for injunctive relief with the DC Courts for the Mayor's office to act on the issue. So get a local attorney in the neighborhood to draw up an action for relief. The protestors must keep all amplified sound at 60db or less when measured from 1 meter away. If you can hear it on Yuma Street, it's breaking the noise ordinance.

Or, just go get the abandoned trash and dispose of it.

+1. That no one in the neighborhood has done this is insane. The MPD is refusing to enforce the law about noise? OK. Why do you think they're going to enforce the law against you if you throw these out? That would look terrible for the city. Not everything has to be about lawyers.

Because when you have progressive criminal prosecutors wanting to create an "equitable" justice system they will absolutely arrest someone considered "privileged" who violated the law. Also, residents have a lot to lose by engaging these protestors as they have threatened and assaulted people who are Jewish or appear to support Israel.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

DC has very prescriptive noise ordinances:
https://dob.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dob/Noise%20Regulation%20Handbook.pdf

Musical instruments, loudspeakers, radio, tape recorder, TV, CD player, stereo, and car stereos, unamplified voices
Maximum Level (in dB): 60 or zone max
Time: Any
Measurement Locations: 1 meter from source

MPD is supposed to enforce this. If they are refusing to enforce, then this constitutes a work stand-down.

Next step is for local residents to file for injunctive relief with the DC Courts for the Mayor's office to act on the issue. So get a local attorney in the neighborhood to draw up an action for relief. The protestors must keep all amplified sound at 60db or less when measured from 1 meter away. If you can hear it on Yuma Street, it's breaking the noise ordinance.

Or, just go get the abandoned trash and dispose of it.

+1. That no one in the neighborhood has done this is insane. The MPD is refusing to enforce the law about noise? OK. Why do you think they're going to enforce the law against you if you throw these out? That would look terrible for the city. Not everything has to be about lawyers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

Noise complaints can be racist. Particularly when discussing the intersection where Florida Avenue and Georgia Avenue meet. That shop on the corner has always played loud vibrant GoGo music since the 90s. It's part of the charm. There is no reason to cite people for exercising their first amendment rights.

Time, place, and manner restrictions have always been part of first amendment jurisprudence. Noise regulations exist for a reason, particularly in dense urban environments where multiple competing interests need to be balanced, and the taxpaying class needs to be able think, sleep, etc., within their own homes. No one is trying to restrict the playing of music outside, period, the issue is time and volume.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

Do you believe in free speech?

My reading of the noise ordinance is that the protest exception doesn’t apply if there is a noise reading of over 80 decibels inside the nearest occupied residence. I honestly think that this may be the case in the houses nearest the embassy. I’m 6 blocks away and can hear it inside my house.

It's also unclear if amplified sounds are covered by the First Amendment exception. I would argue that they should not be covered by the exceptions, or if they are covered the hours 7pm-7am should be free of amplified sound. The protestors can still use their voices in the nighttime hours to express their speech.

Like falsely yelling fire in a theater, activity that is harmful to others or poses a threat to others is not protected. Damaging the hearing of nearby residents, particularly infants and small children, is not protected activity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Found this thread because I live farther away than OP (on Yuma St) and the sirens have been getting louder. Today I can hear them inside my house.

Is there really nothing that can be done about this?

DC has very prescriptive noise ordinances:
https://dob.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dob/Noise%20Regulation%20Handbook.pdf

Musical instruments, loudspeakers, radio, tape recorder, TV, CD player, stereo, and car stereos, unamplified voices
Maximum Level (in dB): 60 or zone max
Time: Any
Measurement Locations: 1 meter from source

MPD is supposed to enforce this. If they are refusing to enforce, then this constitutes a work stand-down.

Next step is for local residents to file for injunctive relief with the DC Courts for the Mayor's office to act on the issue. So get a local attorney in the neighborhood to draw up an action for relief. The protestors must keep all amplified sound at 60db or less when measured from 1 meter away. If you can hear it on Yuma Street, it's breaking the noise ordinance.

Or, just go get the abandoned trash and dispose of it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not political speech. It is sirens laying on the ground. There are not even people there. Just sirens.

If there is no one watching the siren, turn them off or call the police to report a suspicious box

Or just take them and throw them away. Abandonded trash.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

Noise complaints can be racist. Particularly when discussing the intersection where Florida Avenue and Georgia Avenue meet. That shop on the corner has always played loud vibrant GoGo music since the 90s. It's part of the charm. There is no reason to cite people for exercising their first amendment rights.

It is surprising to me how often people cite their "First Amendment rights" as protecting a behavior that is really just kind of selfishness (e.g. I want to do something that is very loud, and I do not care if it bothers other people).

I also dislike it when motorcyclists with very loud Harley engines come driving down the street late at night. Do you believe that they have a "First Amendment right" to do this? I just believe that they are rude and selfish to impose their noise on the rest of us.

Decibel level limits are reasonable -- they protect all people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Forgive me as I have not read all of the prior posts, but is there not a decibel level restriction? It seems like a fair rule to at least limit the decibels, in the interest of respecting people who live and work in the area.

MPD doesn't respond to noise complaints because DC residents go on social media claiming it's racist to enforce. Why would you expect them to risk violating protest/1st amendment rules?

Noise complaints can be racist. Particularly when discussing the intersection where Florida Avenue and Georgia Avenue meet. That shop on the corner has always played loud vibrant GoGo music since the 90s. It's part of the charm. There is no reason to cite people for exercising their first amendment rights.