Anonymous
02/27/2024 20:17
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If they send the invite after 5, I won't even see it until 9AM.
Doesn’t your work email beep? It is drilled into me every night check work email for meetings. I also check it in morning.
My one job we had nearly all meetings between 730 am and 930 am or lunch time or after 430 pm.
We blocked 930 am to noon and 2pm to 430 pm as core work hours. Meetings were at non core work hours
I get 100+ work emails a day, so hell no my work email doesn't beep.
+1 I would lose my mind.
I check once at 8pm and then that's it for the night.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 20:04
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't mind 8am meetings, but I start work at 7am and try to leave by 3/3:30 (usually work a bit more after I get my DD to her activities). However, I understand that doesn't work for some. So I just ask to not get scheduled in a late meeting. Honestly, most meetings should (and can) occur between 10-3.
The issue isn’t that it’s 8am or whatever o’clock, it’s that it’s outside their normal work hours. How would you feel about a meeting sprung on you that requires cancelling your DD activities? Would you push back or say “sorry kiddo thems the breaks”
That’s literally what I said that I wouldn’t assume an 8 AM meeting works for someone just as I would hope they would assume they wouldn’t assume a 3:30 meeting works for me. I don’t care if it’s because I have kids or because they’re working out. I don’t think you fully read my post.
I’m also the person that responded that I always ask if a meeting works for someone and never assume regardless of their calendar says.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 19:23
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Try working for the DoD. They believe in very early meetings. I resent the attitude that civilians are lax because we tend to come in later. We also work until the end of the day (which they do not). Putting in a full day is putting in a full day, regardless of when it begins.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 18:59
Subject: Re:Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
The only meetings that I attend that are outside of standard business hours, is when I'm meeting with somebody outside of the continental US. For example, Asia or Europe. Our work culture is if we are setting up the meeting then we try to do it on their work time so we might meet at 9 PM. If they are setting up the meeting with us then they do it during our standard work time.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 16:56
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X person who generally goes "above and beyond" (in the negative sense of historically not making waves and in my 20s would have been there at 7 if someone told me to).
I think: the calendar should have been blocked for a personal commitment in advance. Following that, "personal appointment" should have been the stated reason. All else ok
So even though typical work day is 9-5, you’re supposed to block out your hours outside of your work day as personal time? That actually seems counterintuitive — do I need to mark every day at 6pm for family dinner and 10pm for bedtime?
Where do you work that a 7.5 hour workday is typical?
When exactly did standard workday become 9-530 or whatever? I mean we had a movie about 9-5 in the 80s…
Anonymous
02/27/2024 16:55
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X person who generally goes "above and beyond" (in the negative sense of historically not making waves and in my 20s would have been there at 7 if someone told me to).
I think: the calendar should have been blocked for a personal commitment in advance. Following that, "personal appointment" should have been the stated reason. All else ok
So even though typical work day is 9-5, you’re supposed to block out your hours outside of your work day as personal time? That actually seems counterintuitive — do I need to mark every day at 6pm for family dinner and 10pm for bedtime?
Where do you work that a 7.5 hour workday is typical?
DP
A lot of places. Tons of places actually have these hours but expect employees to work more. Gen Z aint doing that.
Which is why they ain’t getting promoted
Most people aren’t promoted, corporate structure is a pyramid.
The decision to promote someone or not is almost always driven by relationships, which probably don’t really turn on the hours worked mostly — usually it’s about like promoting like.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 16:46
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X person who generally goes "above and beyond" (in the negative sense of historically not making waves and in my 20s would have been there at 7 if someone told me to).
I think: the calendar should have been blocked for a personal commitment in advance. Following that, "personal appointment" should have been the stated reason. All else ok
So even though typical work day is 9-5, you’re supposed to block out your hours outside of your work day as personal time? That actually seems counterintuitive — do I need to mark every day at 6pm for family dinner and 10pm for bedtime?
Where do you work that a 7.5 hour workday is typical?
DP
A lot of places. Tons of places actually have these hours but expect employees to work more. Gen Z aint doing that.
Which is why they ain’t getting promoted
Anonymous
02/27/2024 15:27
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X person who generally goes "above and beyond" (in the negative sense of historically not making waves and in my 20s would have been there at 7 if someone told me to).
I think: the calendar should have been blocked for a personal commitment in advance. Following that, "personal appointment" should have been the stated reason. All else ok
So even though typical work day is 9-5, you’re supposed to block out your hours outside of your work day as personal time? That actually seems counterintuitive — do I need to mark every day at 6pm for family dinner and 10pm for bedtime?
Where do you work that a 7.5 hour workday is typical?
DP
A lot of places. Tons of places actually have these hours but expect employees to work more. Gen Z aint doing that.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 14:26
Subject: Re:Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Young Gen X/old millennial here. I accept meetings anytime someone higher than me calls for it. I’ve been in the C-suite for over a decade so only answer to the CEO and BOD by now, but have held this philosophy since my first job. It’s worked well for me professionally, but I’m also very fortunate to have a supportive spouse with a flexible schedule.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 13:50
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If they send the invite after 5, I won't even see it until 9AM.
Doesn’t your work email beep? It is drilled into me every night check work email for meetings. I also check it in morning.
My one job we had nearly all meetings between 730 am and 930 am or lunch time or after 430 pm.
We blocked 930 am to noon and 2pm to 430 pm as core work hours. Meetings were at non core work hours
I get 100+ work emails a day, so hell no my work email doesn't beep.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 13:44
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gen X person who generally goes "above and beyond" (in the negative sense of historically not making waves and in my 20s would have been there at 7 if someone told me to).
I think: the calendar should have been blocked for a personal commitment in advance. Following that, "personal appointment" should have been the stated reason. All else ok
So even though typical work day is 9-5, you’re supposed to block out your hours outside of your work day as personal time? That actually seems counterintuitive — do I need to mark every day at 6pm for family dinner and 10pm for bedtime?
Where do you work that a 7.5 hour workday is typical?
Anonymous
02/27/2024 13:31
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:I don't mind 8am meetings, but I start work at 7am and try to leave by 3/3:30 (usually work a bit more after I get my DD to her activities). However, I understand that doesn't work for some. So I just ask to not get scheduled in a late meeting. Honestly, most meetings should (and can) occur between 10-3.
The issue isn’t that it’s 8am or whatever o’clock, it’s that it’s outside their normal work hours. How would you feel about a meeting sprung on you that requires cancelling your DD activities? Would you push back or say “sorry kiddo thems the breaks”
Anonymous
02/27/2024 13:07
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
I don't mind 8am meetings, but I start work at 7am and try to leave by 3/3:30 (usually work a bit more after I get my DD to her activities). However, I understand that doesn't work for some. So I just ask to not get scheduled in a late meeting. Honestly, most meetings should (and can) occur between 10-3.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 13:03
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Wildly unpopular opinion : I miss the days when people would send an email asking when I was available for a meeting. I hate the idea of "blocking my calendar" and "putting something on someone's calendar" as if any unbooked time means I am free to meet. I might have a big project due the next day or be thinking of playing hooky this afternoon. And I definitely think it's ridiculous to have to block times outside of 9 to 5.
Not unpopular to me! I always ask.
Anonymous
02/27/2024 13:01
Subject: Salaried Employee - 8am Meeting - Personal Conflicts like working out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If they send the invite after 5, I won't even see it until 9AM.
Doesn’t your work email beep? It is drilled into me every night check work email for meetings. I also check it in morning.
My one job we had nearly all meetings between 730 am and 930 am or lunch time or after 430 pm.
We blocked 930 am to noon and 2pm to 430 pm as core work hours. Meetings were at non core work hours
Not PP and an older millennial/younger Gen X'er... I turned off push notifications for work email years ago. It nearly have me a nervous break down. I do check email at night and then as soon as I get up usually, but I absolutely cannot have my phone alerting me to emails.