Anonymous
02/21/2024 07:47
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
Anyone brave enough to hold the meeting until an entire IEP team is present?
I could not believe how meetings occur with people going in and out.
You guys know..the team members are coming from teaching your kid right !? Like… they have to be in the classroom at times, not just in hours and hours of meetings. They’re doing their best to be on time.
The purpose of scheduling a meeting is to ensure attendees, particularly key attendees, are available and can attend. If you are unable to arrange coverage, you should speak with your administrators.
Additionally, it is highly disrespectful to parents who, you know, have to take time off work, to show such disregard for their time.
Plus the law mandates that certain personnel must be members of the IEP team - if those members are not there when key decisions are taken or i formation is presented, then the team is not properly constituted, and the school is out of compliance. Tape meetings. Object when IEP required team members leave, point out that IDEA requires X team member, ask to have the meeting continued at another time when all legal team members can be present, ask to have it documented in the PWN together with the reason why.
You need permission to tape or otherwise record meetings. I was only allowed to take notes, so I had an advocate with me
Anonymous
02/21/2024 07:45
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
Anyone brave enough to hold the meeting until an entire IEP team is present?
I could not believe how meetings occur with people going in and out.
You guys know..the team members are coming from teaching your kid right !? Like… they have to be in the classroom at times, not just in hours and hours of meetings. They’re doing their best to be on time.
The purpose of scheduling a meeting is to ensure attendees, particularly key attendees, are available and can attend. If you are unable to arrange coverage, you should speak with your administrators.
Additionally, it is highly disrespectful to parents who, you know, have to take time off work, to show such disregard for their time.
Plus the law mandates that certain personnel must be members of the IEP team - if those members are not there when key decisions are taken or i formation is presented, then the team is not properly constituted, and the school is out of compliance. Tape meetings. Object when IEP required team members leave, point out that IDEA requires X team member, ask to have the meeting continued at another time when all legal team members can be present, ask to have it documented in the PWN together with the reason why.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 23:14
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
‘Your child can’t have that accommodation because it is not allowed on the SOL.’ (Later, I discover that it IS allowed on the SOL. They were wrong.)
Anonymous
02/20/2024 22:49
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
Anyone brave enough to hold the meeting until an entire IEP team is present?
I could not believe how meetings occur with people going in and out.
You guys know..the team members are coming from teaching your kid right !? Like… they have to be in the classroom at times, not just in hours and hours of meetings. They’re doing their best to be on time.
The purpose of scheduling a meeting is to ensure attendees, particularly key attendees, are available and can attend. If you are unable to arrange coverage, you should speak with your administrators.
Additionally, it is highly disrespectful to parents who, you know, have to take time off work, to show such disregard for their time.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 21:58
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
Anyone brave enough to hold the meeting until an entire IEP team is present?
I could not believe how meetings occur with people going in and out.
You guys know..the team members are coming from teaching your kid right !? Like… they have to be in the classroom at times, not just in hours and hours of meetings. They’re doing their best to be on time.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 21:38
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
Anyone brave enough to hold the meeting until an entire IEP team is present?
I could not believe how meetings occur with people going in and out.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 21:23
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your DS is so smart that when the teachers can’t understand what he’s saying (significant speech impediment caused by partially paralyzed tongue), he just writes it down now. I’m not convinced an IEP is necessary any longer. I’m sorry… what? He’s 5 and, while making substantial progress, is still only 1/3rd intelligible to strangers.
I feel for you. At that age, even to me, my DS was only 1/3 intelligble. He was LEP until about 4th grade. He wasn't proficient in any language. Getting services for him, well, you know the battle that is. Hugs.
Pp here w the ASD kid who can't say sh or th or have a normal conversation.
You guys have made my night. I feel really validated with what happened to us right now. I just don't get it- if kids who are 1/3 intelligible don't qualify, who does?? Kl
Anonymous
02/20/2024 21:17
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
"We are so lucky to have <highly incompetent staff member>"
"We will cover that in the summer (eg time of year meeting will never happen to put you off)"
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
"The best way to achieve <key competence like writing their own name> is lots of practice at home -- you (parents) should work on that over the summer!"
"we will absolutely speak with <advocate,psychologist,etc> " and never does...
"We will cover that in the summer (eg time of year meeting will never happen to put you off)"
"We are still waiting for <key personnel here> to join us" 20 minutes late when the meeting will end after 45 minutes because their free zoom sub cuts out..
"The best way to achieve <key competence like writing their own name> is lots of practice at home -- you (parents) should work on that over the summer!"
"we will absolutely speak with <advocate,psychologist,etc> " and never does...
Anonymous
02/20/2024 18:41
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Your DS is so smart that when the teachers can’t understand what he’s saying (significant speech impediment caused by partially paralyzed tongue), he just writes it down now. I’m not convinced an IEP is necessary any longer. I’m sorry… what? He’s 5 and, while making substantial progress, is still only 1/3rd intelligible to strangers.
I feel for you. At that age, even to me, my DS was only 1/3 intelligble. He was LEP until about 4th grade. He wasn't proficient in any language. Getting services for him, well, you know the battle that is. Hugs.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 17:46
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Not sure where my comment went. Then the state should just give parents money to homeschool.
I think this is generally a good idea for all students.
1. Make homeschooling more regulated
2. Give parents 10k a year to homeschool. Way cheaper than ps.
3. Have these kids take standardized tests. If they fall behind, no funding in future.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 17:40
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a parent of a SN kid with an IEP and I’m a speech therapist with the schools. We just do t have the resources or enough staff to meet your demands. Even if you bring an advocate and get them the accommodations/service times you want-guess what, there won’t be compliance. It’s just not humanly possible.
We spend most our time on legal documentation and paperwork and very little on the kids. People falsify the minutes they give. The quality of the therapy and teaching is horrific. It’s a mess.
Then the state should just give parents money to homeschool as an alternative
Let me be frank:
If you have a concern you want addressed for your child, do it though private therapy outside schools. No one will ever say that to you, but that is just the reality. Forget the advocates. Save your money and time and take your kids to therapy or tutors afterschool.
+1 I’m a special Ed teacher with one child with a 504 and another with an IEP. You can spend your time, effort and money fighting the school team, but don’t think if it gets written in the IEP that the service is being delivered with any kind of quality. The sped teachers and service providers have way too many kids on their caseloads, and often have to form groups that aren’t a great match to get to all their students. Your energy is much better spent finding quality private providers, and your child will receive more benefits from a more personalized approach. I know many will say that the schools are required to provide services no matter what, but when there are no staff and not enough time in the day/week, you can complain all you want to as many supervisors you want, nothing will change because it’s not possible.
This is spot on having been on both sides. Much more efficient and worth it to pay for in outside. I do think a huge factor is there just isn't enough staff or subs and you cannot expect people with large caseloads or classes and not much if any planning or lunchtime to produce the optimal intervention or lesson at all times. I could go on and on.
To the person who said they should give you money to homeschool. It isn't going to happen. A start, not a solution would be funding for more teachers and smaller class sizes and more funds for decent subs so teachers aren't covering for eachother. Then we can get into how major pay increases might at least help attract more people so you could actually let go someone who is in the wrong profession. But that is all not happening right away and an advocate or lawyer will gladly take your money to ask for more goals and have them worded just right, but in the end it's about whether you get a team member who can someone have superpowers and not burnout.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 16:38
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
"Your child doesn't qualify for an IEP or 504, but if the classes she's taking are too much for her, we recommend that she drop classes or drop back to on level."
This is a wild statement in that includes evidence of adverse impact on education, which (together with disorder) should be enough to find a student eligible for at least a 504 plan w/accommodations, but instead of providing the accommodations, the team advises the student to, essentially, self-accommodate. My mind was blown by the stupidity of this sentence, which was said, in all seriousness, by the school psychologist, who should have known better.
This is a wild statement in that includes evidence of adverse impact on education, which (together with disorder) should be enough to find a student eligible for at least a 504 plan w/accommodations, but instead of providing the accommodations, the team advises the student to, essentially, self-accommodate. My mind was blown by the stupidity of this sentence, which was said, in all seriousness, by the school psychologist, who should have known better.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 16:17
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Not sure where my comment went. Then the state should just give parents money to homeschool.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 16:16
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a parent of a SN kid with an IEP and I’m a speech therapist with the schools. We just do t have the resources or enough staff to meet your demands. Even if you bring an advocate and get them the accommodations/service times you want-guess what, there won’t be compliance. It’s just not humanly possible.
We spend most our time on legal documentation and paperwork and very little on the kids. People falsify the minutes they give. The quality of the therapy and teaching is horrific. It’s a mess.
Then the state should just give parents money to homeschool as an alternative
Let me be frank:
If you have a concern you want addressed for your child, do it though private therapy outside schools. No one will ever say that to you, but that is just the reality. Forget the advocates. Save your money and time and take your kids to therapy or tutors afterschool.
+1 I’m a special Ed teacher with one child with a 504 and another with an IEP. You can spend your time, effort and money fighting the school team, but don’t think if it gets written in the IEP that the service is being delivered with any kind of quality. The sped teachers and service providers have way too many kids on their caseloads, and often have to form groups that aren’t a great match to get to all their students. Your energy is much better spent finding quality private providers, and your child will receive more benefits from a more personalized approach. I know many will say that the schools are required to provide services no matter what, but when there are no staff and not enough time in the day/week, you can complain all you want to as many supervisors you want, nothing will change because it’s not possible.
Anonymous
02/20/2024 15:55
Subject: Anyone care to play IEP Meeting or related email or phone call BINGO?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Autistic child was denied speech therapy because he can make most sounds. (cannot make a sh or th to this day, or have a normal conversation)
That is reprehensible. I would go up the ladder for that one.
+1. Langley denied speech therapy for my autistic/ADHD/anxiety DD. "She's not bad enough".
Pp here - honestly for us it worked out because we were wavering on going private.
Sadly, he never did get the speech, but he's made huge strides, to the point that he might actually be a self supporting adult, with a little help. Had we not switched out of PS, he almost certainly would have no functional skills at this point. This was expensive but cheaper in the long run. It's also better for society.
We have done ABA and occupational therapy and social skills groups. As another pp mentioned, he couldn't do this without the space to do it in timewise.