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wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

This doesn't match the results we've seen in this cycle. High stat white kids from DMV private and public schools admitted TO to a number of T30 schools and I won't be surprised to see many more TO acceptances on Ivy Day. Our private counselor said since current reported test scores are skewed to the higher end of the range, close to 50% of kids are successfully going TO.

What school? That isn’t what we are seeing (kids getting in T20 using scores) and a full third of the class has some type of national merit honors. Not seeing any unhooked students outside this group getting in most selective schools. We are in Maryland.

Both our school and private counselor encouraging use of test scores.

Clarifying that my kids attend private schools known for their academic rigor in Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

Who's wrong? The admissions offices that say no inferences are made? Because that was my point. What's wrong is you making statements based on nothing more than your own hunches.

Folks, this landscape is perpetually shifting. Find out from tge schools' admissions offices what they think about no score.

The schools HAVE to say that being TO since they are making hundreds of thousands more dollars being TO. Doesn't mean that don't make inferences. It's human nature as someone said. No one would go TO if they scored well.

But it’s working. Kids are getting into T25 as a TO candidate.
And you are pissed - Tiger mom - that it’s working. Why?

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wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

This doesn't match the results we've seen in this cycle. High stat white kids from DMV private and public schools admitted TO to a number of T30 schools and I won't be surprised to see many more TO acceptances on Ivy Day. Our private counselor said since current reported test scores are skewed to the higher end of the range, close to 50% of kids are successfully going TO.

What school? That isn’t what we are seeing (kids getting in T20 using scores) and a full third of the class has some type of national merit honors. Not seeing any unhooked students outside this group getting in most selective schools. We are in Maryland.

Both our school and private counselor encouraging use of test scores.

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wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

This doesn't match the results we've seen in this cycle. High stat white kids from DMV private and public schools admitted TO to a number of T30 schools and I won't be surprised to see many more TO acceptances on Ivy Day. Our private counselor said since current reported test scores are skewed to the higher end of the range, close to 50% of kids are successfully going TO.

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Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

Who's wrong? The admissions offices that say no inferences are made? Because that was my point. What's wrong is you making statements based on nothing more than your own hunches.

Folks, this landscape is perpetually shifting. Find out from tge schools' admissions offices what they think about no score.

The schools HAVE to say that being TO since they are making hundreds of thousands more dollars being TO. Doesn't mean that don't make inferences. It's human nature as someone said. No one would go TO if they scored well.

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Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

Who's wrong? The admissions offices that say no inferences are made? Because that was my point. What's wrong is you making statements based on nothing more than your own hunches.

Folks, this landscape is perpetually shifting. Find out from tge schools' admissions offices what they think about no score.

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Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

Who's wrong? The admissions offices that say no inferences are made? Because that was my point. What's wrong is you making statements based on nothing more than your own hunches.

Folks, this landscape is perpetually shifting. Find out from tge schools' admissions offices what they think about no score.

The schools HAVE to say that being TO since they are making hundreds of thousands more dollars being TO. Doesn't mean that don't make inferences. It's human nature as someone said. No one would go TO if they scored well.

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Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

https://yourcollegeboundkid.com/2024/01/26/ycbk-399-how-do-admission-officers-read-an-admissions-file/

In episode 404, the private school counselor talks about how explicitly at Rice the admissions rep said they “don’t expect [all] private schools to submit test scores, because they know they will be strong”, and that there is some hesitancy to submit a test score at the 25th% or below….
Definitely worth a listen

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

Who's wrong? The admissions offices that say no inferences are made? Because that was my point. What's wrong is you making statements based on nothing more than your own hunches.

Folks, this landscape is perpetually shifting. Find out from tge schools' admissions offices what they think about no score.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't if obvious if you go TO, you bombed the test? I mean, if you did well, you submit.

I am unsure how TO helps anyone or doesn't look suspect. I am glad it's an option, but I would submit unless they truly do terrible.

Nope. That’s not how they look at it.

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Anonymous wrote:1470 is still a great score. Totally in line with 5s on APs. It's nuts that the TO environment has made people think that 1470 is subpar.

Bc the 50% is 1550…..that’s the issue.
So yes go TO

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Anonymous wrote:TO will not be a great look for a someone w your DCs stats. Not too hard to bump up sat. I would have him work on that. Superscoring to at least 1500 will be straightforward. Good luck.

+1 With his stats, TO will look like his test scores are not 1500+, especially with 4/5 on all his AP tests. So yes, it will look "fishy" to the AO. So unless you are form a Low income zip code, it will be assumed he didn't do well on the SAT/ACT.

That's the thing, TO is not really TO at most schools. If you are from a zipcode where everyone can easily take the tests, then you should take it and submit

What is your support for this? I would agree if school says "test recommended," but most who say TO are explicit that nothing will be assumed by not submitting, it's just 1 data point.

wrong. human nature assumes the kid is a poor test taker and is hiding something. What is college? Four years of testing. So colleges only want the kids that fit the profile they are seeking (URM, first generation, etc.) for test optional slots. This is obvious. Your public high school counselor might be embarrassed to admit this but ask any private counselor and they will tell you - especially if you are in a tony private - to submit test scores if you can. If you can't, it will be assumed that they are poor and you will not get into top schools

https://yourcollegeboundkid.com/2024/01/26/ycbk-399-how-do-admission-officers-read-an-admissions-file/

In episode 404, the private school counselor talks about how explicitly at Rice the admissions rep said they “don’t expect [all] private schools to submit test scores, because they know they will be strong”, and that there is some hesitancy to submit a test score at the 25th% or below….
Definitely worth a listen

Yes that’s a good episode on test optional. Really good insight.