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Anonymous wrote:https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-unjust-pursuit-of-police-officer-sutton" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-unjust-pursuit-of-police-officer-sutton

What can be done to save this man? Has anyone organized? Is there somewhere that I can donate to?

Thanks in advance.

I hope he appeals and wins.
I don't know why anyone would be a police officer in the district with stories like this and laws that tie the hands of officers.
TBH - I don't know how anyone even LIVES in the district with some of their crazy ass laws that seem to favor the criminals over the victims.

The guy fleeing the officer was a criminal. A criminal. And, the officer was prevented from mounting a full defense.

Does that excuse the police officers' actions? I don't think so, and the jury also didn't think so. Apparently I have higher expectations of our police officers than you do.

Oh, please. From the article linked:

But Sutton, a 13-year police veteran, did not strike, shoot, harm, or even touch Hylton. Hylton died after exiting a blind alley on a motorized scooter and being struck by a passing civilian vehicle. He had multiple drugs in his system. He ran through stop signs and red lights in the minutes before he drove into oncoming traffic. Sutton followed Hylton at a moderate speed, averaging 30 miles per hour.

Seems to me as if this officer was simply doing his job. No high speed chase.
The guy killed himself.

No, the office was not simply doing his job, unless his job includes pursuit in violation of policy, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice. Here are some more articles for you to read:

https://dcist.com/story/22/12/21/terence-sutton-guilty-verdict-second-degree-murder/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/karon-hylton-brown-death-officers-terence-sutton-andrew-zabavsky-found-guilty/
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/jury-verdict-in-death-of-scooter-rider-chased-by-dc-police-karon-hylton-brown-terence-sutton/65-68911b9b-c4e8-4ad5-a0b3-c07bd44ade55
https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/592446/d-c-police-officers-convicted-in-karon-hylton-browns-death-ask-judge-to-throw-out-jurys-verdict-grant-a-new-trial/

As the PP said: he has had justice. He was charged, there was a trial, a jury found him guilty.

I am going to guess that you have in the past and will in the future not take the same view as to other criminals, and other crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

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so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

Second degree murder is typically murder with malicious intent but not premeditated. How exactly did the officer have malicious intent that is provable beyond a reasonable doubt?

In my mind, there is certainly a reasonable doubt that he was not exercising malicious intent, but rather was trying to apprehend a subject.

To go a step further, in my mind there is certainly a reasonable doubt that this was even a grossly reckless killing as the the officer was driving at 30mph.

Please explain why you all believe that this was second degree murder in detail so we can have a good faith discussion. Repeating that it was second degree murder “just cause” or because jurors found that it was isn’t helpful in convincing the opposing side.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

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so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

Lawfully. Don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

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so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

I have no idea how you all expect the police to do their jobs. Should they send a cease and desist letters to criminals? That’s just about the only modality left to them after all the “legislating” by amongst other, certifiable lunatics and sworn proponents of defunding the police on the Council.

The cops knew the guy, had the information on what he was going to do. If they later lied and obstructed, 60 years in prison is why. It’s not possible to do your job within these rules.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

In your honest view, should obstruction result in a prison sentence of up to 60 years, the period he is facing per the article?

No, but second degree murder, obstruction, and conspiracy are supposed to, and those are the crimes he was convicted of.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-unjust-pursuit-of-police-officer-sutton" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-unjust-pursuit-of-police-officer-sutton

What can be done to save this man? Has anyone organized? Is there somewhere that I can donate to?

Thanks in advance.

This is Sutton's lawyer's argument, publishing in a right wing think tank's propaganda blog masquerading as a news site. Not a neutral news article. That doesn't mean he's wrong, but it does mean it's not fully honest.

Did the Citypaper or WaPo report on Hylton’s criminal record and the reasons why he was being pursued?

City Paper, yes: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/592446/d-c-police-officers-convicted-in-karon-hylton-browns-death-ask-judge-to-throw-out-jurys-verdict-grant-a-new-trial/

WaPo, yes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/12/21/karon-hylton-death-officers-convicted/

Criminals Lives Matter!!!

Screw those who risk their lives to protect us.

Criminals Lives Matter!

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https://dcist.com/story/22/11/08/shared-electric-moped-company-revel-is-leaving-dc/

Also a good thing. Those things were a menace.

The moped company is also gone from DC.

https://dcist.com/story/22/11/08/shared-electric-moped-company-revel-is-leaving-dc/

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

In your honest view, should obstruction result in a prison sentence of up to 60 years, the period he is facing per the article?

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

The law here made little sense. As a DC resident I don’t understand how there could be a policy of just letting criminals run away. Certainly it sounds much more like a gray area than murder. Ultimately it was *Hylton’s* decision to ride recklessly and not stop for police. That is what was the cause of his death.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

No, however second-degree murder is murder.

For people who claim to support law and order, they sure don't seem to have a lot of respect for law.

“ Court records show Hylton-Brown had frequent brushes with law enforcement, starting with a citation in 2017 for driving without a permit and continuing with a number of misdemeanor crimes in the years that followed. In February 2019, police requested that he be barred from two blocks in Brightwood–just down the street from where he died–”due to his repeat drug arrests at the location.” It’s not clear if the ban was granted (he was sentenced to six months of probation in that case), but the request shows that MPD was in regular contact with Hylton-Brown, and that officers patrolling the area may have been familiar with him.”

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.

Truly Bowser threw him under the bus. Although he may have violated the letter of the pursuit policy, it was a completely untenable policy that she later walked back.

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Anonymous wrote:So you want police to be able to chase people in their cars for not wearing a helmet?

"I'M BEATING YOU FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! STOP RESISTING!!"

They were chasing him because he was a known member of a dangerous gang headed to go shoot someone.

Source? Or just making assumptions like usual

rtfa

so your source is a blog post by some guy? All along the official story was he was being stopped because he wasn't wearing a helmet but now the story is that they "knew" he was head to kill someone?

Given the sweeping indictments of the Kennedy St Crew just after this happened, and that Hylton had a weapon and $1000s in cash on him and was high, I’m inclined to believe that Hylton was not a nice young man out for a ride.

So what? That doesn't make it ok for the police to chase him in violation of policy, obstruct justice, and engage in conspiracy. If he weren't dead now, he could be prosecuted [for something], but he is dead.

It was a terrible policy that has since been rolled back by Bowser. Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But the reason we have a spiked crime rate in DC is in part because of nonsensical policies that limit the police’s ability to target actual criminals.

"Obviously the obstruction is wrong. But..."? You're excusing police misbehavior.

Misbehavior, lying, and obstruction isn’t murdering someone. Just because low IQ, emotional jury rules that way doesn’t mean it is the honest to God truth. Juries have put many innocent men behind bars over the years.