Anonymous wrote:Here is the problem...people are claiming that my 1600 SAT kid that never visited College X, didn't show any particular knowledge or interest in College X in their application, etc. was rejected due to "Yield Protection".

That is not yield protection...that is a smart college knowing you have no interest.

Yield protection would be the 1600 SAT kid visiting the college, talking to the regional AO, showing lots of interest...but then say LSU just can't fathom you attending and rejects you because they feel like if Top 10 comes calling, that is where you will go.

Sure it is. It's all part of protecting the yield. Demonstrated interest is just one aspect of that. Sometimes it is really a mistake by the candidate, and others it's more like your latter situation (which happened to mine), but, either way, the college is trying to predict which kids will love them back, and that is yield protection.

Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of people think that those who claim yield protection are just jealous, but my kid got into Georgetown, NYU, and William & Mary and was deferred EA at Elon, which he applied to because his college counselor insisted so he would have a safety, then waitlisted at RD. They knew he wasn't going to come there, hedged with a deferral and WL, just in case. That is total YP.

I mean...your kid likely submitted a mediocre application to Elon, never visited and had no interest...what is the issue? Your kid should have still been accepted, just because?

YP would have been your kid was interested, had visited, submitted a great application and Elon looked at your kid and just said "I don't see it happening for us, kid's just too good for Elon"..that your kid was just too qualified and would likely attend Georgetown so we didn't accept.

Anonymous wrote:Cornell. if you are RD and they think you are getting in at other Ivies, you are going straight to the waitlist.

As somebody with Cornell family, I think Cornell really needs to do this.

Cornell is quite dissimilar to the other Ivies. That is a neutral statement. With its history of egalitarian admittance and its continued state school status plus specialized colleges, it has different student needs from Harvard and Yale. Even disregarding the legacy issue, Cornell would be poorly served by just accepting other Ivy rejects just because it is an Ivy. Many kids only apply to it because it is an Ivy.

Also, high stats engineering and CS applicants are incredibly generic on paper. AIs could create these student portfolios. Since Cornell is thought to be especially good at engineering, I'm sure that worsens the generic applicant issue. If you ever listen to admin officers talking about their most memorable essays...and the topics seem like quirky b.s....those quirky essays work because the AOs are subjected to so much "same same".

Case just needs to wait it out. Amazon, Intel, all the chip companies are opening up in Cleveland and Columbus. I do IT recruiting and there's no better place now to do your first 5 years OR move up and raise your kids. I have offers out to mid career people to move there, make what they were making in Bay Area but in a place with amazing housing stock and great public schools.

In 10 years, Case won't have this problem.

Is it not YP to take most of the applicants ED?

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Anonymous wrote:DH worked in admin at a mid-level university for years. They focused on accepting students who were likely to enroll. Applicants with stats beyond the typical profile were unlikely to be admitted unless there was strong demonstrated interest in a specific program or aspect of the school. Yes, they tracked visits , emails and phone calls. A high stat applicant needed to be very engaged to be accepted. If you just fired off a safety application the school sees that for what it is. Everyone has enrollment to manage.

The top tier colleges are a different ballgame.

Glad to see someone admit to this.

It's crazy to me that this is a thing. My kid had high stats, somehow at Case Western they messed up their database so he had two accounts which I am pretty sure messed up the tracking of his interest. We all know this process is not "fair" but penalizing kids for being "too qualified" is a real low for me.

They are not "penalizing kids". The entire point of the admission game from the University's perspective is to get Y students to matriculate in August. Offering admission to "too qualified kids" who don't seem highly interested and who will most likely attend somewhere else is part of the process. Their goal is to get students who will actually attend. That is NOT penalizing your kid. If your kid truly wants to attend there, rather than just saying "I got in" they would do ED1 or ED2, or switch when asked by admissions and given a FA/merit review

No, since my kid had high stats they were weighing merit offers and honors programs. Also demonstrating interest via visits is geared towards the wealthy. In our case we had a family illness and death during the application during the application cycle.

Anonymous wrote:my kid wrote a dozen Why Us essays for a dozen colleges. I also thought they all had that. All selective schools anyway

Case does not have a supplemental essay. Often wondered why they do not. Suspect they worry they would get less students applying.

my company yield protects when we hire. everyone does. this is what "overqualified" means. we don't think you'll take the job, we don't think they'll stay at the job if you do, we think you'll be bored and kill the mood, etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:DH worked in admin at a mid-level university for years. They focused on accepting students who were likely to enroll. Applicants with stats beyond the typical profile were unlikely to be admitted unless there was strong demonstrated interest in a specific program or aspect of the school. Yes, they tracked visits , emails and phone calls. A high stat applicant needed to be very engaged to be accepted. If you just fired off a safety application the school sees that for what it is. Everyone has enrollment to manage.

The top tier colleges are a different ballgame.

Glad to see someone admit to this.

It's crazy to me that this is a thing. My kid had high stats, somehow at Case Western they messed up their database so he had two accounts which I am pretty sure messed up the tracking of his interest. We all know this process is not "fair" but penalizing kids for being "too qualified" is a real low for me.

What is the new low. I get you are pissed that I gather your kid actually was interested in Case and they messed up his accounts...but in general, schools want kids to show they want the school. What is the point of accepting a "too qualified" kid that has shown absolutely no interest in attending the school...and actually has no interest in attending the school...and actually won't attend the school.

How do they know if my kid wants to attend or not. He applied so he was definitely considering it.

Case knows they are a "safety/target" for many high stats kids interested in STEM/premed. Many many kids apply there with 2-5+ schools higher ranked that they would much rather attend--and will attend if they get in. They know that majority will end up elsewhere. So their job is to figure out who is actually going to attend and offer them admission.

My kid has two good friends currently attending.
Go visit, talk to students who attend, and for at least 60%+ it was not their top choice. Their top choices are typically in the T25-30 schools. These kids all have the high stats and resumes for T25 schools, but didn't get admission (or didn't get enough merit/FA--Case gives good merit to attract kids). The running joke on campus is it's filled with Ivy-wanna-bees. Fact is majority of those 60% would be at a higher ranked school had they gotten an offer (or if it was financially feasible). They "settled" for Case.

If Case wants to matriculate Y students come fall, they need to accept kids in ED/EA/RD that will attend, not have to wait to pull 30-40% of the class from a WL--because that may not end well.

If your student's stats are way out of their league, they are probably going to waitlist you. Sorry, this is just a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:DH worked in admin at a mid-level university for years. They focused on accepting students who were likely to enroll. Applicants with stats beyond the typical profile were unlikely to be admitted unless there was strong demonstrated interest in a specific program or aspect of the school. Yes, they tracked visits , emails and phone calls. A high stat applicant needed to be very engaged to be accepted. If you just fired off a safety application the school sees that for what it is. Everyone has enrollment to manage.

The top tier colleges are a different ballgame.

Glad to see someone admit to this.

It's crazy to me that this is a thing. My kid had high stats, somehow at Case Western they messed up their database so he had two accounts which I am pretty sure messed up the tracking of his interest. We all know this process is not "fair" but penalizing kids for being "too qualified" is a real low for me.

What is the new low. I get you are pissed that I gather your kid actually was interested in Case and they messed up his accounts...but in general, schools want kids to show they want the school. What is the point of accepting a "too qualified" kid that has shown absolutely no interest in attending the school...and actually has no interest in attending the school...and actually won't attend the school.

How do they know if my kid wants to attend or not. He applied so he was definitely considering it.

I mean...you wouldn't believe how many parents/kids get horribly paranoid such that they apply for 10 schools by 12/30...and then lob in another 10 applications on 12/31. Sure, maybe they attend one of those schools they lobbed in on the last day, if it is their only option...but it's just panic.

Just paying $75 and pushing the "send" button on your computer is not that high of a bar.

So you are OK with the school to guessing on interest based on stats? Using a database that probably an intern administers and had two entries for the same kid. Got it.

I know a lot of people think that those who claim yield protection are just jealous, but my kid got into Georgetown, NYU, and William & Mary and was deferred EA at Elon, which he applied to because his college counselor insisted so he would have a safety, then waitlisted at RD. They knew he wasn't going to come there, hedged with a deferral and WL, just in case. That is total YP.

I am not sure the problem is merely paranoid parents. Many CCs encourage students applying to highly competitive colleges to apply to a ridiculous number of universities in RD just to make sure there is an acceptance in there.

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Anonymous wrote:DH worked in admin at a mid-level university for years. They focused on accepting students who were likely to enroll. Applicants with stats beyond the typical profile were unlikely to be admitted unless there was strong demonstrated interest in a specific program or aspect of the school. Yes, they tracked visits , emails and phone calls. A high stat applicant needed to be very engaged to be accepted. If you just fired off a safety application the school sees that for what it is. Everyone has enrollment to manage.

The top tier colleges are a different ballgame.

Glad to see someone admit to this.

It's crazy to me that this is a thing. My kid had high stats, somehow at Case Western they messed up their database so he had two accounts which I am pretty sure messed up the tracking of his interest. We all know this process is not "fair" but penalizing kids for being "too qualified" is a real low for me.

They are not "penalizing kids". The entire point of the admission game from the University's perspective is to get Y students to matriculate in August. Offering admission to "too qualified kids" who don't seem highly interested and who will most likely attend somewhere else is part of the process. Their goal is to get students who will actually attend. That is NOT penalizing your kid. If your kid truly wants to attend there, rather than just saying "I got in" they would do ED1 or ED2, or switch when asked by admissions and given a FA/merit review

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Anonymous wrote:DH worked in admin at a mid-level university for years. They focused on accepting students who were likely to enroll. Applicants with stats beyond the typical profile were unlikely to be admitted unless there was strong demonstrated interest in a specific program or aspect of the school. Yes, they tracked visits , emails and phone calls. A high stat applicant needed to be very engaged to be accepted. If you just fired off a safety application the school sees that for what it is. Everyone has enrollment to manage.

The top tier colleges are a different ballgame.

Glad to see someone admit to this.

It's crazy to me that this is a thing. My kid had high stats, somehow at Case Western they messed up their database so he had two accounts which I am pretty sure messed up the tracking of his interest. We all know this process is not "fair" but penalizing kids for being "too qualified" is a real low for me.

What is the new low. I get you are pissed that I gather your kid actually was interested in Case and they messed up his accounts...but in general, schools want kids to show they want the school. What is the point of accepting a "too qualified" kid that has shown absolutely no interest in attending the school...and actually has no interest in attending the school...and actually won't attend the school.

How do they know if my kid wants to attend or not. He applied so he was definitely considering it.

I mean...you wouldn't believe how many parents/kids get horribly paranoid such that they apply for 10 schools by 12/30...and then lob in another 10 applications on 12/31. Sure, maybe they attend one of those schools they lobbed in on the last day, if it is their only option...but it's just panic.

Just paying $75 and pushing the "send" button on your computer is not that high of a bar.