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Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

You don’t know men. Majority of men actually want to be the provider and have a woman stay at home.

A housewife is not a “ dependent”. The fact that so many of you women on here look down on a woman’s staying home is sad. Staying home to raise kids and take care of your home is just as valuable and important as working an office job.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

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Anonymous wrote:A man is not a plan.

Lol—
I think what Gen Z is telling us is women have been duped into thinking feminism means the solution to women’s happiness is working 9 to 5 at some job just like the men have been doing.
Newsflash: it sucks!
So maybe a man IS, in fact, a plan. And a good one if it means I don’t have to stare at a computer screen and four cubicle walls my whole adult life.

yeah but men don't want a sucubus.
SAHM is a thing that happens for a bunch of reasons. It's not something most men are like - looking for. why would you? they dont want to stare at 4 walls either!

Anonymous wrote:no good quality man wants a woman who offers nothing other than like 'helping him at home' when he could have someone with a brain who is also attractive and smart and contributes to society AND is a good mom and partner.
Like - why would you want a dependent? Fair if it turns out that way but not like - a life plan. esp if person not that attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

I don’t consider childcare to be necessarily menial, but scrubbing a toilet absolutely is. Washing dishes is. Doing laundry is. Maybe you look at your daughter and see someone whose highest aspirations in life should be cleaning up the fecal matter of others, but I certainly don’t see my daughter that way, and I notice very few people see their sons in that light.

My son wants to be a plumber and I am encouraging that… I’m imagining there will be fecal matter involved.

I bet you pay some poor woman to clean up your fecal matter, since you’re too good to clean your own toilets. You probably even pretend you don’t look down on her and consider her to be a lesser human than you. And you undoubtedly consider yourself to be a feminist. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

I don’t consider childcare to be necessarily menial, but scrubbing a toilet absolutely is. Washing dishes is. Doing laundry is. Maybe you look at your daughter and see someone whose highest aspirations in life should be cleaning up the fecal matter of others, but I certainly don’t see my daughter that way, and I notice very few people see their sons in that light.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Why do you consider taking care of children, cooking, and cleaning to be “menial tasks”? As opposed to sitting at a desk making powerpoints, for example.

I maintain that YOUR attitude is what is “patently misogynistic”.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an academically accomplished attorney with a long, varied career all centered on public interest positions.

All my life I've struggled with the inner me, who wanted very much and nothing more than to be home with a bunch of kids and dogs and maybe a cat and a house full of after school friends visits chaos and fun and love.

The career began in victim advocacy with sexual assault and domestic violence victims, then I went to legal aid as an attorney with the same kind of work, then I became a public defender then I became a prosecutor.

Having seen all that I've seen over the decades from the universe of what some (too many) men will do to women and children, and seeing it every single day in the local and not so local news, I take comfort in the path I stumbled on.

I live with the sadness of not having made a family of my own, but free from the anxiety of what the world might do to my children and what their own father might do to all of us.

It's exceedingly dangerous to entrust yourself to a husband.

Sad, and sadly true.

Sad, but also very clearly biased based on PP’s particular line of work…

Or the ability to read a newspaper.

Don’t you read the daily updates about the millions of husbands who DON’T abuse or murder their wives? Is that section not in your paper? Weird.

Don’t you read the part about how the biggest cause of death to pregnant women is homicide carried out by their domestic partners?

The biggest risk to school children is gun violence?

I have a spouse and child because I assessed risk differently than the PP did but she’s by no means irrational. When the leading cause of death was cancer people stopped smoking. Now the leading cause of death is men.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Actually that was my first post and the “like” is meant to be read ironically, since this is such a patently misogynistic idea that truly could— or should— only appeal to the sort of parent who looks at their child and thinks they have very little to offer beyond menial tasks and service.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/parenting/article-12806811/Traditional-wife-mother-teaching-daughter-acceptable-depend-man-serving-husband-greatest-joy.html

“Trad” parenting seems to be getting very popular these days in various media

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an academically accomplished attorney with a long, varied career all centered on public interest positions.

All my life I've struggled with the inner me, who wanted very much and nothing more than to be home with a bunch of kids and dogs and maybe a cat and a house full of after school friends visits chaos and fun and love.

The career began in victim advocacy with sexual assault and domestic violence victims, then I went to legal aid as an attorney with the same kind of work, then I became a public defender then I became a prosecutor.

Having seen all that I've seen over the decades from the universe of what some (too many) men will do to women and children, and seeing it every single day in the local and not so local news, I take comfort in the path I stumbled on.

I live with the sadness of not having made a family of my own, but free from the anxiety of what the world might do to my children and what their own father might do to all of us.

It's exceedingly dangerous to entrust yourself to a husband.

Sad, and sadly true.

Sad, but also very clearly biased based on PP’s particular line of work…

Or the ability to read a newspaper.

Don’t you read the daily updates about the millions of husbands who DON’T abuse or murder their wives? Is that section not in your paper? Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe this works if you’ve got really average and unremarkable daughters who are super good at domestic tasks? Like I wouldn’t close it off as a path for a girl without other options.

Why do you say “like” so much? (It’s obvious you have posted more than once in this thread.) Do you think it makes you seem, like, remarkable? Although I suppose I AM remarking on you, so well played.

Anonymous wrote:I'm an academically accomplished attorney with a long, varied career all centered on public interest positions.

All my life I've struggled with the inner me, who wanted very much and nothing more than to be home with a bunch of kids and dogs and maybe a cat and a house full of after school friends visits chaos and fun and love.

The career began in victim advocacy with sexual assault and domestic violence victims, then I went to legal aid as an attorney with the same kind of work, then I became a public defender then I became a prosecutor.

Having seen all that I've seen over the decades from the universe of what some (too many) men will do to women and children, and seeing it every single day in the local and not so local news, I take comfort in the path I stumbled on.

I live with the sadness of not having made a family of my own, but free from the anxiety of what the world might do to my children and what their own father might do to all of us.

It's exceedingly dangerous to entrust yourself to a husband.