Anonymous
02/01/2024 12:35
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:I am looking at RMs future growth (according to at a glance) and it is only going up. Their renovation was cancelled several years back because of Crown. In a few years it will be 500 over capacity. Where are these decreases happening?
These are the latest projections. It has a max of 389 over capacity. So, still going up, but not as high as thought earlier.
https://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP25_Chapter4Montgomery.pdf
Anonymous
02/01/2024 12:24
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
But Northwood being relocated to a holding school for 3 years is not the norm for HS construction.
That's because they usually build the new addition or new building next to the existing building, which remains in operation. But that wasn't possible at Northwood.
True, but even when they used to relocate a HS to a holding school during construction (Northwood itself was the old holding school), it was for two years, not three. This is a new timeline.
True, it used to be 2 years. The construction companies have now said that due to supply chain issues, they cannot get it done in two and have said it will take 3. However, the multiple delays before this, are all on MCPS
In October 2017, the FY2019 CIP was released, and was the first in which Woodward's reopening as a high school was proposed. Tracking how the project's planned Date of Completion has changed over the years:
CIP : Date of Completion for Woodward HS reopening
FY2019: TBD
FY2020: TBD
FY2021: Sept. 2025
FY2022: Sept. 2025
FY2023: August 2025
FY2024: August 2026
FY2025: August 2027
Anonymous
02/01/2024 11:55
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
I am looking at RMs future growth (according to at a glance) and it is only going up. Their renovation was cancelled several years back because of Crown. In a few years it will be 500 over capacity. Where are these decreases happening?
Anonymous
02/01/2024 11:49
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
It is the norm for all construction projects to take longer than first stated
Not that kind of delay. The kind of delay where the funding is cut and the project stalls for years and years or is cancelled. Many, many MCPS projects have disappeared for years and years or never happened.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 11:19
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Poor kids don't value education like middle and upper class kids do so it's definitely a loss.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you listen to the budget workshop from today, they say enrollment is down in every grade except 10 and 11. Who knows how long that will last and/or will it get worse?
I think it will get worse, at least for a while. I'm a current MoCo resident that had been preparing to move to one of a few Wootton feeding neighborhoods that I liked, but I had to change course and move outside the County instead.
Some of the neighborhoods I was looking at got pushed out of my price range at the 11th hour. I expected prices to increase, but not jump as hard as they have in the last few months.
There's other neighborhoods that I like which I can just barely afford, even with insane prices, but they are at significant risk of getting redistricted to schools that I'm not okay with.
A perceptive person earlier in this thread said "you buy the house, not the school", which is true. But if you gamble on boundaries and lose, your kids are the ones who lose out. If you look at which areas are seeing growth, you'll find very good schools where this is not an issue.
Meaning: your kids might have to go to a school with more poor kids.
-person whose second kid got rezoned to a "bad" school (50% FARMS) and we're happier with it than the "good" school (25% FARMS) the first kid went to
(As far as I can tell from DCUM (usual disclaimers apply), middle and upper class parents also don't value education. They value what you can buy with the education credentials, which is not at all the same thing.)
Anonymous
02/01/2024 11:01
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
But Northwood being relocated to a holding school for 3 years is not the norm for HS construction.
That's because they usually build the new addition or new building next to the existing building, which remains in operation. But that wasn't possible at Northwood.
True, but even when they used to relocate a HS to a holding school during construction (Northwood itself was the old holding school), it was for two years, not three. This is a new timeline.
True, it used to be 2 years. The construction companies have now said that due to supply chain issues, they cannot get it done in two and have said it will take 3. However, the multiple delays before this, are all on MCPS
I have no doubt that it will get delayed beyond the 3 years too. I started paying attention to all this boundary talk because I thought my kids (HS class of 2030 in the DCC) would be impacted but at this rate I feel like they will definitely be juniors by the time any re-zoning actually goes into effect and therefore will be able to stay where they are if they want.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 09:41
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
But Northwood being relocated to a holding school for 3 years is not the norm for HS construction.
That's because they usually build the new addition or new building next to the existing building, which remains in operation. But that wasn't possible at Northwood.
True, but even when they used to relocate a HS to a holding school during construction (Northwood itself was the old holding school), it was for two years, not three. This is a new timeline.
True, it used to be 2 years. The construction companies have now said that due to supply chain issues, they cannot get it done in two and have said it will take 3. However, the multiple delays before this, are all on MCPS
Anonymous
02/01/2024 08:58
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Poor kids don't value education like middle and upper class kids do so it's definitely a loss.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you listen to the budget workshop from today, they say enrollment is down in every grade except 10 and 11. Who knows how long that will last and/or will it get worse?
I think it will get worse, at least for a while. I'm a current MoCo resident that had been preparing to move to one of a few Wootton feeding neighborhoods that I liked, but I had to change course and move outside the County instead.
Some of the neighborhoods I was looking at got pushed out of my price range at the 11th hour. I expected prices to increase, but not jump as hard as they have in the last few months.
There's other neighborhoods that I like which I can just barely afford, even with insane prices, but they are at significant risk of getting redistricted to schools that I'm not okay with.
A perceptive person earlier in this thread said "you buy the house, not the school", which is true. But if you gamble on boundaries and lose, your kids are the ones who lose out. If you look at which areas are seeing growth, you'll find very good schools where this is not an issue.
Meaning: your kids might have to go to a school with more poor kids.
-person whose second kid got rezoned to a "bad" school (50% FARMS) and we're happier with it than the "good" school (25% FARMS) the first kid went to
Anonymous
02/01/2024 08:46
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
It is the norm for all construction projects to take longer than first stated
Anonymous
02/01/2024 08:34
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
But Northwood being relocated to a holding school for 3 years is not the norm for HS construction.
That's because they usually build the new addition or new building next to the existing building, which remains in operation. But that wasn't possible at Northwood.
True, but even when they used to relocate a HS to a holding school during construction (Northwood itself was the old holding school), it was for two years, not three. This is a new timeline.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 07:50
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
But Northwood being relocated to a holding school for 3 years is not the norm for HS construction.
That's because they usually build the new addition or new building next to the existing building, which remains in operation. But that wasn't possible at Northwood.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 07:07
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
But Northwood being relocated to a holding school for 3 years is not the norm for HS construction.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 06:47
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm for MCPS construction process to take significantly longer than whatever they first stated.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 05:27
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you listen to the budget workshop from today, they say enrollment is down in every grade except 10 and 11. Who knows how long that will last and/or will it get worse?
I think it will get worse, at least for a while. I'm a current MoCo resident that had been preparing to move to one of a few Wootton feeding neighborhoods that I liked, but I had to change course and move outside the County instead.
Some of the neighborhoods I was looking at got pushed out of my price range at the 11th hour. I expected prices to increase, but not jump as hard as they have in the last few months.
There's other neighborhoods that I like which I can just barely afford, even with insane prices, but they are at significant risk of getting redistricted to schools that I'm not okay with.
A perceptive person earlier in this thread said "you buy the house, not the school", which is true. But if you gamble on boundaries and lose, your kids are the ones who lose out. If you look at which areas are seeing growth, you'll find very good schools where this is not an issue.
Meaning: your kids might have to go to a school with more poor kids.
-person whose second kid got rezoned to a "bad" school (50% FARMS) and we're happier with it than the "good" school (25% FARMS) the first kid went to
The bottom line I want my kids to A) be surrounded by peers that excel and B) spend their time a safe environment. If a school had a high FARMS rate but scored well and was safe, I would have no issue. But the fact is that the schools that are in play for this area do not score well, and if you read publicly available surveys filled out by staff, a significant portion of them do not feel safe.
The bottom line is you're scared of your kids going to school with poor kids.
DP. Take a close look at the schools to see what they offer. MCPS doesn’t offer nearly the same experience at Einstein or Gaithersburg that it does at WJ or Wootton. The teachers at the former have less experience and fewer advanced degrees than the teachers at the latter. The activities are fewer and generally of lower quality. MCPS flat out does not care about disparate services throughout the system so long as it appears to be closing the achievement gap, and MCPS is unwilling to impose effective discipline to make all schools safe for students and teachers. I don’t blame PP for seeking a higher quality school. It’s not like you pay a lower tax rate for living in area zoned for schools that offer a lower level of service.
Anonymous
02/01/2024 00:07
Subject: Could Crown High School and/or Northwood stall out?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Northwood is moving out of its building this June. Boxes to pack up stuff are being delivered soon. Classroom assignments have already been made for the Woodward building.
I think the ship has sailed and the Northwood construction will happen. The original building is in bad shape. The question is whether Northwood gets stuck at Woodward for longer than 3 years
I'm curious... for folks who've been tracking this, how common is it for MCPS construction projects to take longer than scheduled?
It is the norm