Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Simple solution is just to make it illegal for Dems to own guns since they are responsible for 95%+ of all gun crime. I'm putting on my Sig P365 right now to go to lunch. I won't be a victim of a Democrat today.

While satire also -- this is true.

This is not satire - this is delusional propaganda …

From 2015 to 2022, cities in blues states saw an average gun homicide rate of 7.23 per 100,000 residents. In red-states cities, that rate was 11.1 per 100,000 residents—53 percent higher than the rate in blue-state cities.Oct 16, 2023
https://www.americanprogressaction.org › ...
Cities in Blue States Experiencing Larger Declines in Gun Violence in 2023

Red state cities have a higher population of Black people.

The type of people that are involved in gangs or crime-related gun violence are not the type of people that vote, no matter where they live.

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So it’s not “red state” vs “blue state”
it’s the fastest the Black people comprise the majority of gun deaths and Black population is concentrated in red states.

UN peacekeepers can go into Black neighborhoods and take their guns. Their handguns.

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/


Criminals steal handguns and kill people. None of the people who steal or buy stolen handguns are going through any databases to ask the government if they can legally own a gun. All the rules and regulations and background checks are useless for these criminals.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Simple solution is just to make it illegal for Dems to own guns since they are responsible for 95%+ of all gun crime. I'm putting on my Sig P365 right now to go to lunch. I won't be a victim of a Democrat today.

While satire also -- this is true.

This is not satire - this is delusional propaganda …

From 2015 to 2022, cities in blues states saw an average gun homicide rate of 7.23 per 100,000 residents. In red-states cities, that rate was 11.1 per 100,000 residents—53 percent higher than the rate in blue-state cities.Oct 16, 2023
https://www.americanprogressaction.org › ...
Cities in Blue States Experiencing Larger Declines in Gun Violence in 2023

Red state cities have a higher population of Black people.

Anonymous wrote:

Simple solution is just to make it illegal for Dems to own guns since they are responsible for 95%+ of all gun crime. I'm putting on my Sig P365 right now to go to lunch. I won't be a victim of a Democrat today.

While satire also -- this is true.

This is not satire - this is delusional propaganda …

From 2015 to 2022, cities in blues states saw an average gun homicide rate of 7.23 per 100,000 residents. In red-states cities, that rate was 11.1 per 100,000 residents—53 percent higher than the rate in blue-state cities.Oct 16, 2023
https://www.americanprogressaction.org › ...
Cities in Blue States Experiencing Larger Declines in Gun Violence in 2023

Among African American children, the rate of gun deaths per 100,000 people was 11.8. That was more than five times the figure for other racial and ethnic groups. For white children and Hispanics, the figure was 2.3 per 100,000, and for Asian children, it was even lower, at 0.9.

Among young African Americans, more than 8 in 10 gun deaths were homicides, while fewer than 10% were suicides. The numbers were flipped for white youths. Two-thirds of all gun deaths among that group were suicides, while fewer than a quarter were homicides.

Black people in the United States bear the brunt of the gun violence epidemic. Here are just a few facts to highlight the disproportionate impact gun violence takes on Black communities:

Each day on average, 30 Black Americans are killed by guns and more than 110 experience non-fatal injuries.
Black Americans experience 10 times the gun homicides of white Americans.
Black Americans are nearly three times more likely to be shot and killed by police as white Americans.
Black Americans experience 18 times the gun assault injuries of white Americans.
68 percent of Black Americans or someone they care for has experienced gun violence.

https://gunresponsibility.org/blog/gun-violence-in-the-black-community-myths-and-facts/

The rampant gun violence that leads to people being murdered exists w/i the Black community. The gun deaths are mostly caused by handguns.

Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. And Black youth fare even worse. Black children and teens are 14 times more likely to die from gun homicide than their White counterparts.



CONCENTRATED GUN HOMICIDE IS TIED CLOSELY TO URBAN POVERTY, WHICH TRACKS INEQUALITY, WHICH TRACKS SEGREGATION, WHICH TRACKS RACE.

The same cities that experience disproportionate gun homicide — Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Newark, St. Louis, Chicago — all have large, segregated Black communities with a history of disinvestment. This segregation and disinvestment didn’t happen by nature, but by design. "Deindustrialization, discriminatory housing practices, and white flight from neighborhoods as Black families moved in pushed large numbers of Black people into poverty, perpetuating economic inequalities between white and Black people.” Today, many metropolitan areas remain just as segregated as they were in 1968.

Even within cities, gun homicide concentrates in specific areas. Yolanda Mitchell, Ph.D and Tiffany Bromfield, for instance, found that Philadelphia’s safest police district, which is about 85% White had no gun homicide in 2014, while Philadelphia’s most violent district, which is about 90% Black, had 40 gun deaths that same year.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

When the UN Peacekeepers come to save us all from guns, make sure you tell them they are going to start in the cities first. They will go through poor Black neighborhoods and take guns from the people living in those neighborhoods. I am sure the UN Peacekeepers are going to be super excited and do a great job!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

So you want a dictator, think US citizens would behave in the same manner as citizens as the former Soviet Union, think UN troops could disarm the American public and everyone would live in peace and harmony every after?

Quite the vivid imagination you have.

I don’t believe everyone will live in peace and harmony. I believe a lot of gun extremists need to die and will die in the process. And I don’t give a **** about them. I care about the rest of us, the 240 million people who DON’T have guns. If some of those gun nutters surrender peacefully and turn their guns in by the deadline then that’s fine. Then can all have reduced or light sentences, fines, probation and the like. They will be treated easily. It’s the holdouts I want to see getting slaughtered in the streets.

And yes, the UN will happily assist our country if we ask them to. Because their support is essential to the process. We cannot trust our own military and law enforcement, which has been heavily infiltrated by the right wingers, to carry out gun safety initiatives like this because too many of them cannot be trusted to crack down on these criminals.

And by “behave in the same manner as citizens of the former Soviet Union” you mean not murder their fellow citizens with guns then yes that is exactly how I expect them to behave. The Soviets were’t plagued with guns and gun nutters and crime. They dealt with malcontents harshly and immediately, and had a essentially crime free society because of it. Their human rights record leaves a lot to be desired in terms of political dissidents, but for the everyday ordinary person, the6 didn’t have to wonder if they’d be massacred every time they left their homes.

It’s not a vivid imagination. It’s a vision. And if we can elect someone with the courage to carry it out, we can achieve it. Otherwise we’ll also be at the mercy of republicans and the gun lobby. And I’ve had enough of both to want them exterminated.

You think UN Peacekeepers are going to go house to house in every state?

UN Peacekeepers are going to willingly give their lives and die far away from their families to take guns from American citizens?

Why would UN Peacekeepers do that?

Not many people will give their lives for others. I highly doubt UN Peacekeepers will accept the mission of going house to house in America.

American leo and military aren’t giving up their guns, they aren’t going to kill their fellow Americans to take their guns.

The majority of gun deaths occur in the Black community. Blacks make up 70% of the gun homicide victims, and these victims are shot and killed by another Black person.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Simple solution is just to make it illegal for Dems to own guns since they are responsible for 95%+ of all gun crime. I'm putting on my Sig P365 right now to go to lunch. I won't be a victim of a Democrat today.

While satire also -- this is true.

Dems are responsible for 95% of all gun crime? Do you have stats to back that up? I wasn't aware that the authorities collect information on the political affiliation of victims of gun crime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing can be done about this problem. At least nothing of any consequence. It’s going to take generational change. Perhaps all the millions of kids who have grown up with active shooter drills in schools will realize that this is not normal and vote accordingly.

We cannot wait that long. Not with 93,000 murders a year. You’re talking about millions of people over a generation. We cannot wait that long. Period.

PP you quoted here. I agree, but this is the hill that millions of American gun owners are willing to die on. Apparently this is one of the most important rights they feel they have as American citizens. They don't care about the thousands of people that are killed or maimed every year by guns or who take their own lives with a gun. They have proven it time and again. They...don't...care. It's baked into their worldview and nothing, not even the images of dead children from Sandy Hook, Uvalde, etc. has changed that. I will continue to support common sense gun reform through voting and monetary contributions, but I'm not holding my breath that anything will change substantially any time soon.

I think you sum it up right. You mean to make them look stupid but these are there views.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

So you want a dictator, think US citizens would behave in the same manner as citizens as the former Soviet Union, think UN troops could disarm the American public and everyone would live in peace and harmony every after?

Quite the vivid imagination you have.

I don’t believe everyone will live in peace and harmony. I believe a lot of gun extremists need to die and will die in the process. And I don’t give a **** about them. I care about the rest of us, the 240 million people who DON’T have guns. If some of those gun nutters surrender peacefully and turn their guns in by the deadline then that’s fine. Then can all have reduced or light sentences, fines, probation and the like. They will be treated easily. It’s the holdouts I want to see getting slaughtered in the streets.

And yes, the UN will happily assist our country if we ask them to. Because their support is essential to the process. We cannot trust our own military and law enforcement, which has been heavily infiltrated by the right wingers, to carry out gun safety initiatives like this because too many of them cannot be trusted to crack down on these criminals.

And by “behave in the same manner as citizens of the former Soviet Union” you mean not murder their fellow citizens with guns then yes that is exactly how I expect them to behave. The Soviets were’t plagued with guns and gun nutters and crime. They dealt with malcontents harshly and immediately, and had a essentially crime free society because of it. Their human rights record leaves a lot to be desired in terms of political dissidents, but for the everyday ordinary person, the6 didn’t have to wonder if they’d be massacred every time they left their homes.

It’s not a vivid imagination. It’s a vision. And if we can elect someone with the courage to carry it out, we can achieve it. Otherwise we’ll also be at the mercy of republicans and the gun lobby. And I’ve had enough of both to want them exterminated.

Lol are you smoking crack with Hunter?

You will never take guns. It’s never going to happen.

Anonymous wrote:Simple solution is just to make it illegal for Dems to own guns since they are responsible for 95%+ of all gun crime. I'm putting on my Sig P365 right now to go to lunch. I won't be a victim of a Democrat today.

While satire also -- this is true.

Anonymous wrote:I’m hoping we can make the gun manufacturers and gun sellers (stores, dealers) pay big every time there is a gun homicide. That money could go to services for crime victims as well as to beefing up police protection against guns. I’m spitballing here but why does society have to pay for services incurred by guns, and the corporations making profits from guns do not?

I’m also hoping for a huge tax on ammo, to go to similar services.

If the gun manufacturers and sellers take a hit every time a 6 year old’s body does, that’s a start.

If your first hope were to come true you would seel the rise of small gun manufacturers who would just close every 18 months and start a new venture. You would never catch them.

No way there is a tax on ammo -- not at least in 30 plus states so it could not stick.

What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?

Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (458).


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Where are 93,000 murders taking place per year?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing can be done about this problem. At least nothing of any consequence. It’s going to take generational change. Perhaps all the millions of kids who have grown up with active shooter drills in schools will realize that this is not normal and vote accordingly.

We cannot wait that long. Not with 93,000 murders a year. You’re talking about millions of people over a generation. We cannot wait that long. Period.

All homicides
Number of deaths: 26,031
Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.8
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2021) via CDC WONDER

Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 20,958
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.3
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2021) via CDC WONDER

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing can be done about this problem. At least nothing of any consequence. It’s going to take generational change. Perhaps all the millions of kids who have grown up with active shooter drills in schools will realize that this is not normal and vote accordingly.

We cannot wait that long. Not with 93,000 murders a year. You’re talking about millions of people over a generation. We cannot wait that long. Period.

PP you quoted here. I agree, but this is the hill that millions of American gun owners are willing to die on. Apparently this is one of the most important rights they feel they have as American citizens. They don't care about the thousands of people that are killed or maimed every year by guns or who take their own lives with a gun. They have proven it time and again. They...don't...care. It's baked into their worldview and nothing, not even the images of dead children from Sandy Hook, Uvalde, etc. has changed that. I will continue to support common sense gun reform through voting and monetary contributions, but I'm not holding my breath that anything will change substantially any time soon.