Anonymous
Post 01/28/2024 16:34     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


This. 100%. Coaching during a game is critical, especially given that most teams never get to practice 11v11 full field.



I have rarely seem any travel team change their formations, players roles, player positions or match up players during a game to gain a tactical advantage. There is very little coaching in terms of tactics, etc going on in these games. The coaches roll out the same formation with the same players doing the same dumbed down soccer.


I've rarely seen teams that have the players and training to pull this off. Imagine your coach just changing the shape, roles and positions on you halfway through a match that you've had little to no training in. Even if you spot an issue as a coach that you feel will be elevated by a big change, doesn't mean your players are prepared to pull it off. Hell most teams struggle to play the way they exclusively train to play.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2024 14:56     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


This. 100%. Coaching during a game is critical, especially given that most teams never get to practice 11v11 full field.



I have rarely seem any travel team change their formations, players roles, player positions or match up players during a game to gain a tactical advantage. There is very little coaching in terms of tactics, etc going on in these games. The coaches roll out the same formation with the same players doing the same dumbed down soccer.


They are mainly part-time coaches lacking proper pedigree of coaching education and decent level certifications and exposure to high level coaching environments.

Even if majority of them see a problem during a game, they don't have the knowledge to identify the root cause or the skillset to come up with a remedy on the fly.
They just make a substitution and cross their fingers
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2024 13:39     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


This. 100%. Coaching during a game is critical, especially given that most teams never get to practice 11v11 full field.



I have rarely seem any travel team change their formations, players roles, player positions or match up players during a game to gain a tactical advantage. There is very little coaching in terms of tactics, etc going on in these games. The coaches roll out the same formation with the same players doing the same dumbed down soccer.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2024 11:23     Subject: Screaming coaches
Obviously you didn't bother to read the post I was agreeing with.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2024 11:13     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


This. 100%. Coaching during a game is critical, especially given that most teams never get to practice 11v11 full field.


You do realize that there aren't just two extremes?
It's not either joysticking/constant yelling or nothing at all. Sheesh

As a Coach, you control the training environment to create the right conditions to teach certain elements of the game.
You can't do that in a real game.

Game is about strategy and tactics. Lessons to be learnt are addressed in training.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2024 19:26     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


This. 100%. Coaching during a game is critical, especially given that most teams never get to practice 11v11 full field.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2024 18:14     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


You'll see the good, real, been to coaching seminars and courses within the last 80 years coaches writing notes during games.
For things to address at halftime and after the game for next round of practices.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2024 17:20     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".


If the only “coaching” being given during game play is past tense observation, would always rather have the coach silent during the game play and teach after v constantly yelling past tense “you should have made that shot” and “how did you miss that?!” The yellers have heard most at kids games are past tense observers and not real time instructors.
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2024 17:07     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.


Although I understand what you are saying, I strongly disagree. I believe that there are just so many situations that happen in games that you can't reproduce in practice where the coach needs to or should provide immediate feedback. I'm not saying screaming negative comments or joysticking or never shutting up, but I do not agree with silent (or almost silent) coaching. I believe that most, if not all, games are practice too. They are learning environments just like regular practices. A coach can tell what the kids have learned during "practice" and still provide instruction during "games".
Anonymous
Post 01/27/2024 16:53     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
I am always more impressed by the coaches that are watching but almost silent during games, because they trained during practice and at games they watch to see what players have learned and then use that for next practices. But I do think a lot of parents don’t feel the same. Many of those that are not impressed are the parents who yell “shoot!” anytime their kid has ball, whatever position their kid is playing and wherever they are on field.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2024 11:07     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:Even if there were checks and balances they’d be based on connections and how high your team is ranked. And what club.


Sounds like you're jaded at this point. Gotta start somewhere though, and currently there isn't any consistent enforcement.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2024 10:41     Subject: Re:Screaming coaches
Even if there were checks and balances they’d be based on connections and how high your team is ranked. And what club.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2024 08:04     Subject: Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:I’ve coached for 10 years. What some coaches get away with, from the environment they encourage by not stepping in when their players are acting like a-holes, to berating their own players, showing no respect towards other coaches/players (not shaking hands, acting like they’re better than the other team, etc) has been out of control last 3 seasons.

I’ve also recently found out that, while we have been hustling our hardest to get 23-24 player cards in on time for showcase season, that half of the other teams in our age group have been playing w player passes from last season bc teams can’t complete their safe sport training in time.

It’s all one big cluster fck w no accountability. Its ridiculous. You try to set an example and do what’s required as a coach only for others to just come and do whatever they want.


Because there's no checks and balances. I did think there would be for at least SafeSport, that's news to me but can't say I'm surprised. All these claims of BG checks etc seem to often go unchecked by leagues or sanctioning bodies.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2024 07:54     Subject: Screaming coaches
I’ve coached for 10 years. What some coaches get away with, from the environment they encourage by not stepping in when their players are acting like a-holes, to berating their own players, showing no respect towards other coaches/players (not shaking hands, acting like they’re better than the other team, etc) has been out of control last 3 seasons.

I’ve also recently found out that, while we have been hustling our hardest to get 23-24 player cards in on time for showcase season, that half of the other teams in our age group have been playing w player passes from last season bc teams can’t complete their safe sport training in time.

It’s all one big cluster fck w no accountability. Its ridiculous. You try to set an example and do what’s required as a coach only for others to just come and do whatever they want.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2024 20:43     Subject: Screaming coaches
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When my daughter was born and I held her in my arms for the first time, my only thought was "When she turns ten I hope she plays for a coach like Bobby Knight".


ahh yess, a yeller who once calmly said "I think if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it"


If a yeller calmly said those words, then said yeller wouldn’t be yelling.

Lay of the Chardonnay.