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Anonymous wrote:Assuming full suite of GPA, test scores, and strong but not recruited ECs.

I'd say
UChicago ED
Wash U (st louis)
Vandy
Brown ED
ND
Service Academies
JHU
Northwestern ED

I would delete Brown. Not really accessible for unhooked students.

For Ivy League, Cornell is doable though.

I would add Rice. And MIT.

Wouldn't waste an ED on Dartmouth. Small school. Just a handful of spots for an unhooked smart kid from the burbs. Notre Dame has a very strong preference for Catholic high schools.

Vanderbilt is possible. So is Michigan if you can pay. CalTech.

Yes, it is. Good lord, people. They accept way more unhooked kids than hooked. They also have way way more applicants than spots. So very few kids of any type get in. I know an unhooked kid who got in to Brown ED last month. Super-smart, great kid. But that’s it. Multiple super-smart, great kids applied, none of them hooked. One got in. That’s the way the numbers work.

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Georgetown?

Hell no!

You should see the candidates that didn't get in EA this year. Straight A, perfect test scores, loads of ECs, etc.

That doesn’t mean unhooked standard strong kids can’t get in there. It just means that there are more of them than they can accept.

It means it’s unlikely.

They have about a 7% acceptance rate (when you factor out their test score requirement).

All of these schools are unlikely! They have super-low admission rates. That just means very few kids get in, not that the ones who get in all cured cancer. The original question is whether these schools are “on the table for unhooked standard strong kids.” The answer is yes.

Caltech has an admit rate of less than 2 percent for boys. Good luck.

Anonymous wrote:Assuming full suite of GPA, test scores, and strong but not recruited ECs.

I'd say
UChicago ED
Wash U (st louis)
Vandy
Brown ED
ND
Service Academies
JHU
Northwestern ED

I would delete Brown. Not really accessible for unhooked students.

For Ivy League, Cornell is doable though.

I would add Rice. And MIT.

Wouldn't waste an ED on Dartmouth. Small school. Just a handful of spots for an unhooked smart kid from the burbs. Notre Dame has a very strong preference for Catholic high schools.

Vanderbilt is possible. So is Michigan if you can pay. CalTech.

I’m surprised nobody has pushed back on Vandy being on this list. It seems more elusive for kids that I’ve known than several of the other schools listed. Even high-stats legacies are having trouble (to put it optimistically).

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming full suite of GPA, test scores, and strong but not recruited ECs.

I'd say
UChicago ED
Wash U (st louis)
Vandy
Brown ED
ND
Service Academies
JHU
Northwestern ED

I agree with all except Brown ED. Maybe Cornell, but not Brown.

Def not Cornell...all of the admits ED the last several years from our school were legacies.

I really think we are going to see more RD acceptances. The outright rejection- not deferral -of many high stat kids in the early rounds--opens spots. Some of these kids may have been stronger than the kids that will apply later.

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Anonymous wrote:What if you are 4.0 UW, 12 APs, all 5s on APs, 2 years post BC Calc, with strong ECs...what is possible...If you are saying "standard strong" is 3.85 UW, 8 APs

That’s why it’s important to define standard strong before throwing out names. Your student is strong. Better than standard strong.

Yet no guarantee here. I’ve known plenty of kids over the last 4 years not have ED success and have “better than a standard strong” stats.

Do these kids end up getting into good choices in RD?

I posted in another thread how some ended up fine in RD - some better than others - and one rejected everywhere in all the rounds and got WL then into @ a Big 10 after May 1. That kid’s siblings are now all at or admitted to Ivies. Sometimes someone really falls through cracks.

Was that kid CS??

Last year MCPS know of RD into Swarthmore and Dartmouth, no hooks.

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Anonymous wrote:What if you are 4.0 UW, 12 APs, all 5s on APs, 2 years post BC Calc, with strong ECs...what is possible...If you are saying "standard strong" is 3.85 UW, 8 APs

That’s why it’s important to define standard strong before throwing out names. Your student is strong. Better than standard strong.

Yet no guarantee here. I’ve known plenty of kids over the last 4 years not have ED success and have “better than a standard strong” stats.

Do these kids end up getting into good choices in RD?

I posted in another thread how some ended up fine in RD - some better than others - and one rejected everywhere in all the rounds and got WL then into @ a Big 10 after May 1. That kid’s siblings are now all at or admitted to Ivies. Sometimes someone really falls through cracks.

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Georgetown?

Hell no!

You should see the candidates that didn't get in EA this year. Straight A, perfect test scores, loads of ECs, etc.

That doesn’t mean unhooked standard strong kids can’t get in there. It just means that there are more of them than they can accept.

It means it’s unlikely.

They have about a 7% acceptance rate (when you factor out their test score requirement).

OP- do you have a Senior now?

Are you asking about RD? Or are you including ED in your question?

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Georgetown?

Hell no!

You should see the candidates that didn't get in EA this year. Straight A, perfect test scores, loads of ECs, etc.

That doesn’t mean unhooked standard strong kids can’t get in there. It just means that there are more of them than they can accept.

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming full suite of GPA, test scores, and strong but not recruited ECs.

I'd say
UChicago ED
Wash U (st louis)
Vandy
Brown ED
ND
Service Academies
JHU
Northwestern ED

Not sure about Hopkins. 47% of class of 2027 was white and Asian. https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

FYI: The final count (who showed up in fall 2023) was 50.7%. Also, the majority of International students are from China.
Source: https://oir.jhu.edu/

OK, JHU's class of 2027 was comprised of 50% URM or international students.

They are 19% white. Very low given demographics in the US.

JHU is pretty tough to get into. ED is tough and RD is worse. If you are not a major ECs kind of kid, with stats that could otherwise get you into super top schools, JHU is where folks apply

Oh come on, it’s where the brightest STEM kids apply, biomedical engineering, pre-med, etc

So many kids at TJ it’s a first choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming full suite of GPA, test scores, and strong but not recruited ECs.

I'd say
UChicago ED
Wash U (st louis)
Vandy
Brown ED
ND
Service Academies
JHU
Northwestern ED

Not sure about Hopkins. 47% of class of 2027 was white and Asian. https://apply.jhu.edu/fast-facts/

FYI: The final count (who showed up in fall 2023) was 50.7%. Also, the majority of International students are from China.
Source: https://oir.jhu.edu/

OK, JHU's class of 2027 was comprised of 50% URM or international students.

They are 19% white. Very low given demographics in the US.

JHU is pretty tough to get into. ED is tough and RD is worse. If you are not a major ECs kind of kid, with stats that could otherwise get you into super top schools, JHU is where folks apply