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Anonymous wrote:My feelings are still if you are worried about getting sick then YOU have to protect yourself.

I think this has been the key all along. I had a medically fragile child. I never could rely on others to protect him.

Yes, but wouldn't it have been nice if others were willing to do something so simple as wear a mask to help keep these medically fragile people safe. Not that difficult to wear a mask while at grocery store or target for 20 mins. It would protect yourself, the workers, the customers, and ultimately everyone who is there who might have a medically fragile person in their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Flying home to DC, my son was seated next to a lady who was clearly sick and complaining to her husband about how awful she felt. He was not entirely sympathetic and muttered something about having COVID himself. Neither husband nor wife were wearing a mask on the packed flight. I don’t get it.

Because masks are hot and uncomfortable. What's not to get?

Then do not fly when sick, if you cannot wear a mask. Have a little compassion and concern for others around you. Really not that difficult to do or understand.

I don't get it. If you're worried about getting sick, why don't you wear an N95 respirator? Why do you care what other people do?

I do wear a KN95 or N95 on planes. However, I would be better protected if everyone did and the air was properly filtered. You are sitting in a tiny plane with 200+ people where everyone is sitting packed in next to others (3-5 in a row together)---tight quarters with crappy air filtration. Why do you feel it's so important to NOT mask when you are visibly ill? How can you go thru life being so self centered and not caring a bit about others around you?

So you don't trust N95s. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:It's annoying, but as others have said - you can't control it. I always mask when I fly because that is something I can control.

+1. That includes when we are lining up for the flight.

Yes, the plane itself has better filtration when flying than the terminal (though easier to distance there), jetbridge, or the plane when taxiing.

This is not true. The plane filtration being good is a myth

Hahahahahaha


- airplane mechanic

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Had my aranet on a 2 flights 3 months ago. Once cabin door was shut the numbers hovered around 3000-4000 for the flight, even with the air vents fully opened. Absolutely no fresh ventilation being provided. Those numbers are enough to give you headaches and drowsy, let alone any illness on the plane.

Did you recalibrate for the partial pressure present in an airplane cabin? Your unit is calibrated for sea level, not the 8000 ft.

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Anonymous wrote:Flying home to DC, my son was seated next to a lady who was clearly sick and complaining to her husband about how awful she felt. He was not entirely sympathetic and muttered something about having COVID himself. Neither husband nor wife were wearing a mask on the packed flight. I don’t get it.

Because masks are hot and uncomfortable. What's not to get?

Then do not fly when sick, if you cannot wear a mask. Have a little compassion and concern for others around you. Really not that difficult to do or understand.

I don't get it. If you're worried about getting sick, why don't you wear an N95 respirator? Why do you care what other people do?

I do wear a KN95 or N95 on planes. However, I would be better protected if everyone did and the air was properly filtered. You are sitting in a tiny plane with 200+ people where everyone is sitting packed in next to others (3-5 in a row together)---tight quarters with crappy air filtration. Why do you feel it's so important to NOT mask when you are visibly ill? How can you go thru life being so self centered and not caring a bit about others around you?

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Anonymous wrote:It's annoying, but as others have said - you can't control it. I always mask when I fly because that is something I can control.

+1. That includes when we are lining up for the flight.

Yes, the plane itself has better filtration when flying than the terminal (though easier to distance there), jetbridge, or the plane when taxiing.

I took my Aranet on a few flights and found the same. Was egregiously high, like 1900! Air travel, from what I’ve seen, is a main driver of Covid

This is not true. The plane filtration being good is a myth

+1 Took the ARANET CO2 detector on a few flights. Sitting in row 3 (first class, near the open door) it was hovering at 800-1000 during boarding. Once the door shut, it never went below 1800. Most of flight it was between 3000-4500 (peak was 4500).
The pilots do have the option to provide "good filtered air" but apparently most do not do that (based on my limited tests).

I took my Aranet on a few flights and found the same. Was egregiously high, like 1900! Air travel, from what I’ve seen, is a main driver of Covid

Which is sad, because it can be done safely with better filtration and masking.

Air filtration works. Kid just brought covid home for xmas. Was with them in small apartment for 36 hours before they tested positive (very high viral loads on first test). Isolated them immediate (in hotel room, apartment too small), put hepa filter in hotel room and we both masked if in their room (to bring food/supplies/etc). Nobody in our house got covid, despite spending 36 hours in close quarters together---sure we were all boosted in Oct/Nov, but the main thing I suspect was the HEPA filters running in the apartment---I mean I sat at dinner, 3 ft from my kid for 2 hours right before they tested positive. Nobody got covid.
Now imagine if stores, restaurants, schools, airports, airplanes, and many other places had good quality hepa filtration. Even places that had it have removed it "because covid protocols don't require it anymore"---our dentist actually removed their HEPA filters this fall---which I cannot understand once you spent to put them in, why not just run them to keep your employees safe---I mean you are less than 1 ft from a maskless, open mouth for 30 mins while cleaning their teeth. Seems only logical that you'd want to keep using them to protect everyone in your office.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you put a mask on you and your son? That’s the part you can control, or you can always choose not to fly. Also, hopefully you know that when you eavesdrop on other people’s conversations, you may not hear everything accurately.

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We always wear masks when flying. No longer get sick, as we used to from flying pre-covid. However it is downright RUDE to fly with covid (or any illness) and not mask. You are in tight quarters.

If you are in the Day 0to Day 5 you should not be flying (should be isolating), unless absolutely necessary (and then should be masked---show that you care one iota for others in the world), day 6-10 you should be masked unless no fever, symptoms improving AND you are negative.

Those are CDC recommendations but not a law.

They are basic recommendations to prevent the spread of Covid. You are an inconsiderate, self absorbed person if you don't care about spreading covid when you have it.
Apparently you have no compassion or concern for anyone except yourself. That's been made very apparent the past 4 years about many people

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Anonymous wrote:It's annoying, but as others have said - you can't control it. I always mask when I fly because that is something I can control.

+1. That includes when we are lining up for the flight.

Yes, the plane itself has better filtration when flying than the terminal (though easier to distance there), jetbridge, or the plane when taxiing.

This is not true. The plane filtration being good is a myth

Hahahahahaha


- airplane mechanic

+1

Had my aranet on a 2 flights 3 months ago. Once cabin door was shut the numbers hovered around 3000-4000 for the flight, even with the air vents fully opened. Absolutely no fresh ventilation being provided. Those numbers are enough to give you headaches and drowsy, let alone any illness on the plane.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you put a mask on you and your son? That’s the part you can control, or you can always choose not to fly. Also, hopefully you know that when you eavesdrop on other people’s conversations, you may not hear everything accurately.

DP:
We always wear masks when flying. No longer get sick, as we used to from flying pre-covid. However it is downright RUDE to fly with covid (or any illness) and not mask. You are in tight quarters.

If you are in the Day 0to Day 5 you should not be flying (should be isolating), unless absolutely necessary (and then should be masked---show that you care one iota for others in the world), day 6-10 you should be masked unless no fever, symptoms improving AND you are negative.

Those are CDC recommendations but not a law.

Do you need to be forced, or are you intelligent enough to simply accept being informed?

Stomping your feet about CDC recommendations won’t make people mask on a flight.

No, because people like the PP are too stupid to care. One can only hope it's their own friends and family who "benefit the most from them not caring"

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Anonymous wrote:Did you put a mask on you and your son? That’s the part you can control, or you can always choose not to fly. Also, hopefully you know that when you eavesdrop on other people’s conversations, you may not hear everything accurately.

DP:
We always wear masks when flying. No longer get sick, as we used to from flying pre-covid. However it is downright RUDE to fly with covid (or any illness) and not mask. You are in tight quarters.

If you are in the Day 0to Day 5 you should not be flying (should be isolating), unless absolutely necessary (and then should be masked---show that you care one iota for others in the world), day 6-10 you should be masked unless no fever, symptoms improving AND you are negative.

Those are CDC recommendations but not a law.

They are basic recommendations to prevent the spread of Covid. You are an inconsiderate, self absorbed person if you don't care about spreading covid when you have it.
Apparently you have no compassion or concern for anyone except yourself. That's been made very apparent the past 4 years about many people

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Anonymous wrote:Now maybe you had two people behaving badly.

But you also could have described me on my most recent flight. We had covid in early December. All four of us. All tested positive, 3/4 of us had fevers for a few days, all had symptoms (though of varying degrees). We isolated at home as we should have for 10 days. By the end of the ten days, we were all testing negative. But I had lingering headache, fatigue, sore throat, and cough for more than a week after that, and the cough is still on going (more than 4 weeks after my first positive test).

So yes, for both of our two Christmas flights, I was coughing and not feeling well. But by any definition, I was completely past the contagious phase.

Sure keep telling yourself you were not contagious as you were hacking away on the plane. I hope you wore a mask when you traveled.

Habe you never had a cough that lingers for weeks after an illness?
If PP tested negative after 10 days, then she's clearly not still shedding viral particles.

Anonymous wrote:My feelings are still if you are worried about getting sick then YOU have to protect yourself.

I think this has been the key all along. I had a medically fragile child. I never could rely on others to protect him.

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Anonymous wrote:Now maybe you had two people behaving badly.

But you also could have described me on my most recent flight. We had covid in early December. All four of us. All tested positive, 3/4 of us had fevers for a few days, all had symptoms (though of varying degrees). We isolated at home as we should have for 10 days. By the end of the ten days, we were all testing negative. But I had lingering headache, fatigue, sore throat, and cough for more than a week after that, and the cough is still on going (more than 4 weeks after my first positive test).

So yes, for both of our two Christmas flights, I was coughing and not feeling well. But by any definition, I was completely past the contagious phase.

Sure keep telling yourself you were not contagious as you were hacking away on the plane. I hope you wore a mask when you traveled.

Huh? They were NOT contagious. Covid isn't the first respiratory virus to cause a lingering cough. Have people really forgotten pre-2020 life?

And pre-covid, getting sick because someone on the same plane was sick was a thing, too. It's just that we now have better mask access in this culture, because of covid, and smart people take advantage of tools that protect them and others. Stupid/selfish people see wearing a mask as some major imposition, when it's a slight inconvenience, at most. People who don't mask when sick with anything that causes respiratory symptoms are either stupid, selfish, or both simultaneously. There's so little possibility for innocent ignorance at this point; you know better, you just think you get a pass.

What are you talking about? I said nothing about not wearing a mask if you are actually sick. A lingering cough is a known thing with resp. viruses and it's also known that you aren't contagious at that point. I wore a mask when I was sick. I didn't when I was negative again. I've talked with my healthcare providers about appropriate precautions and appropriate risk analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:Now maybe you had two people behaving badly.

But you also could have described me on my most recent flight. We had covid in early December. All four of us. All tested positive, 3/4 of us had fevers for a few days, all had symptoms (though of varying degrees). We isolated at home as we should have for 10 days. By the end of the ten days, we were all testing negative. But I had lingering headache, fatigue, sore throat, and cough for more than a week after that, and the cough is still on going (more than 4 weeks after my first positive test).

So yes, for both of our two Christmas flights, I was coughing and not feeling well. But by any definition, I was completely past the contagious phase.

Sure keep telling yourself you were not contagious as you were hacking away on the plane. I hope you wore a mask when you traveled.

Huh? They were NOT contagious. Covid isn't the first respiratory virus to cause a lingering cough. Have people really forgotten pre-2020 life?

And pre-covid, getting sick because someone on the same plane was sick was a thing, too. It's just that we now have better mask access in this culture, because of covid, and smart people take advantage of tools that protect them and others. Stupid/selfish people see wearing a mask as some major imposition, when it's a slight inconvenience, at most. People who don't mask when sick with anything that causes respiratory symptoms are either stupid, selfish, or both simultaneously. There's so little possibility for innocent ignorance at this point; you know better, you just think you get a pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Now maybe you had two people behaving badly.

But you also could have described me on my most recent flight. We had covid in early December. All four of us. All tested positive, 3/4 of us had fevers for a few days, all had symptoms (though of varying degrees). We isolated at home as we should have for 10 days. By the end of the ten days, we were all testing negative. But I had lingering headache, fatigue, sore throat, and cough for more than a week after that, and the cough is still on going (more than 4 weeks after my first positive test).

So yes, for both of our two Christmas flights, I was coughing and not feeling well. But by any definition, I was completely past the contagious phase.

Sure keep telling yourself you were not contagious as you were hacking away on the plane. I hope you wore a mask when you traveled.

Huh? They were NOT contagious. Covid isn't the first respiratory virus to cause a lingering cough. Have people really forgotten pre-2020 life?

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Anonymous wrote:Flying home to DC, my son was seated next to a lady who was clearly sick and complaining to her husband about how awful she felt. He was not entirely sympathetic and muttered something about having COVID himself. Neither husband nor wife were wearing a mask on the packed flight. I don’t get it.

Because masks are hot and uncomfortable. What's not to get?

Then do not fly when sick, if you cannot wear a mask. Have a little compassion and concern for others around you. Really not that difficult to do or understand.

I don't get it. If you're worried about getting sick, why don't you wear an N95 respirator? Why do you care what other people do?

Because despite screeching about people who don’t mask being selfish, they are the ones who want to control everyone else to make their lives easier. It’s the height of selfishness.