Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 14:52     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would think he would get into Colgate and bucknell. He should have some true safeties.


He has some state schools but not great options tbh


So find some true safeties and low targets, find ones he will like and want to attend and get your applications in.

Every year there are people who stress because they are not getting acceptances, but their entire list is largely Reaches and high reaches. When acceptance rates are single digits or even less than 20%, it's a damn reach for everyone.

Find true safeties and true targets and you will have somewhere to attend you like.

And yes, there are safeties and targets for everyone, even high stats students. Your kid can/will be happy somewhere, and it would be better if you pick those now, not whatever "is left" come may....I can assure you they likely wont be as happy with that


Think there are safeties tho. MSU; Pitt; Indiana; Miami.

Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 14:51     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:This is shotgunning. Might work with 1-2 reaches.

You have the safeties in hand.
Why not.


đź’Ż
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 14:50     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would think he would get into Colgate and bucknell. He should have some true safeties.


He has some state schools but not great options tbh


So find some true safeties and low targets, find ones he will like and want to attend and get your applications in.

Every year there are people who stress because they are not getting acceptances, but their entire list is largely Reaches and high reaches. When acceptance rates are single digits or even less than 20%, it's a damn reach for everyone.

Find true safeties and true targets and you will have somewhere to attend you like.

And yes, there are safeties and targets for everyone, even high stats students. Your kid can/will be happy somewhere, and it would be better if you pick those now, not whatever "is left" come may....I can assure you they likely wont be as happy with that
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 14:50     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
33 is over 25% ACT mark for all of these schools.

Submit scores.

If a 32, then TO at most…
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 14:23     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
OPs kid went to a crap religious private and they expected different results lol

Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 14:19     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS with 3.82 (high rigor); 33 ACT and non-Stem /business /Econ major (true humanities major) with strong pointy related ECs.
Private selective non-DMV high school.

He’s finished with his RD apps.
Deferred from both NU (ED) and Tulane (EA).

He’s got a bunch of decisions from large flagships coming in next month. Concerned he falls into that middle space and may get dinged everywhere else.

Thoughts on chances for these reaches:

Colgate
Bucknell
Middlebury
Wesleyan
Williams
Wake
Emory
Vanderbilt
Wash U
Rice
Brown

Thoughts on chancing him?



Based on what I saw in the last 3 senior classes @ my DCs’ independent: Williams, Vanderbilt, Rice and Brown would be hard no. The rest might happen but longshots.

Friends’ daughter was dinged @ a T10, then deferred EA @ Tulane, so made a hard pivot to Emory/Wake/WashU for ED2 and admitted.

But who really knows. Know a top stats kid rejected @ a T12 in ED1, then rejected at a T20 LAC in ED2, and accepted to an HYP in RD.

GL to your DC.


Same…possible but don’t count on it.

Things are so crazily unpredictable these days though - nothing would surprise me.


I’m the PP. Should’ve underscored “don’t count on it.”

The kid was legacy @ HYP but kid, parents, counselor decided that it was still too much of a long shot these days and picked a school where the DC seems a shoo in based on our school’s placement record there. DC’s stats were stronger than many of the prior admits as well as other kid applying ED1 in class. (FWIW, school doesn’t rank but the kid probably 1 or 2 in class). That school also loves full pay as is this kid. Outright rejected. Everyone was in shock. So they picked a LAC with similar specs for ED2 and again rejected.

Then decided WTH, throw in a Hail Mary RD @ HYP and hope for best with schools that were targets back when list first drawn up.

So while never say never, even kid’s parents would probably say they would have recommended same route as the RD acceptance still seems like incredible luck.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 13:56     Subject: Re:Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the whole list?

Why no true matches/safeties?


He’s already gotten into Pitt; MSU; Indiana; Miami-Ohio.

Waiting on some other big 10/pac 12 state schools.

Think a small school suits him; but he’s also focused on atmosphere/peers/vibe/fit.

Yes, will likely ED2. Emory allows changing the previously submitted RD app to ED2 until Jan 10, I think. Same for Tulane.



I know kids like yours who have graduated from Indiana Bloomington and Pitt. They all had great experiences overall and found employment after college. Congratulations to your DC.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 13:52     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If deferral is from Northeastern then that’s a sign of a weak application. Not sure about Tulane. Help your kid find a school they are happy with that has a realistic acceptance rate.

Sounds like you have gotten a lot of bad advice and the school list is all over the place. My family also made many mistakes so don’t feel bad, it’s a horrible confusing process.

I think NU deferral is Northwestern. The ED admission rate is something like 19-22% and it’s unclear if a deferral is a soft rejection or means there is still a chance. Tulane has been filling as much as 2/3rds of the class with ED, not sure if this cycle they are trying to pull that back a little but what that means is the EA acceptance rate has been something like 10% in the past.

Really it comes down to how much risk and how happy they are with the safety schools. If they would be extremely unhappy attending one of the safeties/state flagships, which if you look at some of the RD acceptance rates for the reaches it’s like 90% or more will be rejected, they need to beef up the target schools plus show some love to Bucknell which is the more likely RD acceptance from that list. If they are fine with the state schools/flagships and rather wait out RD including deferrals, they still need to have targets that have a higher acceptance rate like if they loved Williams, what is the 20-35% RD acceptance rate similar school. I will also add schools keep the ED2 rates closely held and publish the total ED rate so while there is often a bump for ED2 vs RD it’s hard to know how much.


At Northwestern University, for instance, only about 1-2 percent of early applicants may be deferred.
Georgetown University, on the other hand, defers all students who aren’t admitted in the early rounds. There are no rejections in the initial round.
The University of Pennsylvania (UPenn), ultimately admits about 11 percent of deferred students. Meanwhile, Virginia Tech admits around 50 percent of students who are initially deferred.


“As in recent years, we've admitted about half our incoming class through our Early Decision round; we expect to enroll just over 2,000 students in the Class of 2027. Also consistent with recent years, we are relatively lean on defers and aim to give a final decision whenever possible.”

https://admissions.northwestern.edu/docs/northwestern-early-decision-context-2022.pdf
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 13:48     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DS with 3.82 (high rigor); 33 ACT and non-Stem /business /Econ major (true humanities major) with strong pointy related ECs.
Private selective non-DMV high school.

He’s finished with his RD apps.
Deferred from both NU (ED) and Tulane (EA).

He’s got a bunch of decisions from large flagships coming in next month. Concerned he falls into that middle space and may get dinged everywhere else.

Thoughts on chances for these reaches:

Colgate
Bucknell
Middlebury
Wesleyan
Williams
Wake
Emory
Vanderbilt
Wash U
Rice
Brown

Thoughts on chancing him?



Based on what I saw in the last 3 senior classes @ my DCs’ independent: Williams, Vanderbilt, Rice and Brown would be hard no. The rest might happen but longshots.

Friends’ daughter was dinged @ a T10, then deferred EA @ Tulane, so made a hard pivot to Emory/Wake/WashU for ED2 and admitted.

But who really knows. Know a top stats kid rejected @ a T12 in ED1, then rejected at a T20 LAC in ED2, and accepted to an HYP in RD.

GL to your DC.


Same…possible but don’t count on it.

Things are so crazily unpredictable these days though - nothing would surprise me.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 13:46     Subject: Re:Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What’s his state school?

What about Villanova?
Conn College?
Vassar?
Hamilton?
UMass Amherst?


My son has better stats (albeit as a business major) and was rejected ED1 at Villanova. Otherwise, the rest of your suggestions (perhaps with the exception of Hamilton) are great. I would also add Sarah Lawrence.


Sarah Lawrence seems so far out of left field for a kid EAing Tulane.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 13:34     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
This is shotgunning. Might work with 1-2 reaches.

You have the safeties in hand.
Why not.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 13:02     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:If deferral is from Northeastern then that’s a sign of a weak application. Not sure about Tulane. Help your kid find a school they are happy with that has a realistic acceptance rate.

Sounds like you have gotten a lot of bad advice and the school list is all over the place. My family also made many mistakes so don’t feel bad, it’s a horrible confusing process.

I think NU deferral is Northwestern. The ED admission rate is something like 19-22% and it’s unclear if a deferral is a soft rejection or means there is still a chance. Tulane has been filling as much as 2/3rds of the class with ED, not sure if this cycle they are trying to pull that back a little but what that means is the EA acceptance rate has been something like 10% in the past.

Really it comes down to how much risk and how happy they are with the safety schools. If they would be extremely unhappy attending one of the safeties/state flagships, which if you look at some of the RD acceptance rates for the reaches it’s like 90% or more will be rejected, they need to beef up the target schools plus show some love to Bucknell which is the more likely RD acceptance from that list. If they are fine with the state schools/flagships and rather wait out RD including deferrals, they still need to have targets that have a higher acceptance rate like if they loved Williams, what is the 20-35% RD acceptance rate similar school. I will also add schools keep the ED2 rates closely held and publish the total ED rate so while there is often a bump for ED2 vs RD it’s hard to know how much.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 12:44     Subject: Re:Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:What’s his state school?

What about Villanova?
Conn College?
Vassar?
Hamilton?
UMass Amherst?


My son has better stats (albeit as a business major) and was rejected ED1 at Villanova. Otherwise, the rest of your suggestions (perhaps with the exception of Hamilton) are great. I would also add Sarah Lawrence.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 12:37     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
Anonymous wrote:If deferral is from Northeastern then that’s a sign of a weak application. Not sure about Tulane. Help your kid find a school they are happy with that has a realistic acceptance rate.

Sounds like you have gotten a lot of bad advice and the school list is all over the place. My family also made many mistakes so don’t feel bad, it’s a horrible confusing process.


I read NU as Northwestern (usually NEU is Northeastern on this board)
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 12:27     Subject: Getting shut out of selective/competitive private schools
If deferral is from Northeastern then that’s a sign of a weak application. Not sure about Tulane. Help your kid find a school they are happy with that has a realistic acceptance rate.

Sounds like you have gotten a lot of bad advice and the school list is all over the place. My family also made many mistakes so don’t feel bad, it’s a horrible confusing process.