Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:29
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:State flagships are the next “thing”. Families will increasingly balk at spending outrageous sums for Larla to vape and whine about micro aggressions at obscure private schools.
Employers will increasingly balk at dealing with obnoxious super-woke hires from ivies. Without leading to a lucrative employment pipeline, their desirability will slowly ebb.
For most families, state flagships have always been the “thing”
But, it's becoming even more popular now for higher achieving kids who are being shut out at T20.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:28
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everything in the Rust Belt is fading. Kids don’t want to be in a freezing cold dying region outside of perhaps Catholics at Notre Dame. You can’t pull the wool over their eyes, they pull up YouTube instagram and TikTok and see how cold grey and dreary those regions are most of the school year.
Except U of Michigan is still extremely popular.
so is Mich State, Pitt, OH state.. all in the rust belt.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:23
Subject: Re:Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Ivy degrees will be the equivalent of state schools in 20 years. The polish is off and they will continue to crumble.
It wouldn't matter for rich people, but for most of the regular normal middle class, major is more important than the school already.
UMD CS or UVA McIntire is more valuable than some humanities Ivy degrees.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:19
Subject: Re:Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Ivy degrees will be the equivalent of state schools in 20 years. The polish is off and they will continue to crumble.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:18
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Yes, schools like USC, NYU, and Northeastern will continue to rise
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:16
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:My take:
With 2.8 billion Chinese and Indians, a growing Asian domestic population, and a finite number of slots at top schools, my hypothesis is that the top schools we see today will retain their status PLUS get increasingly more difficult to gain entry. The skills necessary for technological advancements dictates that high-demand STEM graduates will continue to fuel the gap between "elite (and near-elite) institutions and everyone else. The number of international students studying in the US have doubled over the past 10 years. These students very much are "name driven" which drives the cycle of upward selectivity at all but a few schools.
My list:
Rich get richer category
Ivies + UChicago, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Emory, Wash. Univ at SL
Through inertia they will continue to be the #1 destination for the world's elite. In spite of the spotlight shone on some of the contentious issues of today, I don't see these universities are going anywhere.
The UC system:
More demand, same supply. Center of tech and innovation. Historically, less than half the price of comparable private schools. Increasing demographic changes skewing Asian ensures robust demand. Internationals love the UC's.
Top flight publics outside of the UC's:
UVA, UNC, Michigan, UIUC, UGA, Florida, Texas, A&M
Population growth in the south, plus tradition, plus in-state tuition will continue to drive the bus. Crazy to think that Florida and UGA are now considered to be top flight universities.
Location-driven universities:
Boston, New York, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles
These schools benefit from being in a world-class city. Like the UC's, internationals love these schools. The university enriches the city; likewise, the city enriches the university.
BU, Northeastern, NYU, UMiami, USC, (Tulane??).
The potential up and comers:
East coast: Does GWU or American make that next-level leap considering the draw of D.C.? Again, limited supply at "top" schools means that the top will be filtered lower.
In Texas, does Texas, A&M and Rice suck the oxygen out so that a school like SMU can never make that leap? A growing state with a finite number of elite institutions.
I'd add Hillsdale as a potential up and comer.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:13
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
More losers: Woke Seven sisters (excuse me, “siblings”) colleges, aka Smith, Bryn Mawr
Anonymous
12/20/2023 08:09
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
HYPSM will be just fine. Chicago, Rice, Northwestern, etc are not going anywhere.
The Biggest Losers: Dartmouth, Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, etc. They'll be bitten by the hand that fed them - athletics. These schools will receive the same "woke agenda" accusation as HYP (perhaps correctly), but the second punch is the one that will connect: the many articles that will be coming down the pike about the full pay downhill skiers, sailing, and fencers (etc). These colleges are building classes that are either Pell kids paying zero and St Ann's squash who are paying full fare. That makes for a dysfunctional classroom experience that holds zero appeal to the rest of the world.
Other winners:
The Next Michigan: MN, Iowa, Illinois, Oregon .. basically any flagship with a college town and a football team. (Schools like UCs, UT Austin already in the Michigan category)
Revenge of the Nerds aka "I know what I'm paying for": Purdue, Case, CMU, RPI, WPI, Texas A&M, VT.
Hail Mary: ND but also places like Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, Dayton, U of San Diego, Marquette.
The Biggest Losers: Dartmouth, Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, etc. They'll be bitten by the hand that fed them - athletics. These schools will receive the same "woke agenda" accusation as HYP (perhaps correctly), but the second punch is the one that will connect: the many articles that will be coming down the pike about the full pay downhill skiers, sailing, and fencers (etc). These colleges are building classes that are either Pell kids paying zero and St Ann's squash who are paying full fare. That makes for a dysfunctional classroom experience that holds zero appeal to the rest of the world.
Other winners:
The Next Michigan: MN, Iowa, Illinois, Oregon .. basically any flagship with a college town and a football team. (Schools like UCs, UT Austin already in the Michigan category)
Revenge of the Nerds aka "I know what I'm paying for": Purdue, Case, CMU, RPI, WPI, Texas A&M, VT.
Hail Mary: ND but also places like Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, Dayton, U of San Diego, Marquette.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 07:25
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rutgers is like a cross between UMD and UVA. Top in-state students want UVA. Maryland, especially with CS, retains many of the best Maryland students. Rutgers isn't seen as a state school which keeps home the best and brightest.
Maybe because of all the other choices available in the northeast-SLACS, Jesuits, private R1 schools. Or it's the wacky take a bus to class campus feel.
UVA and UNC are already insanely competitive to get into. I shudder to think what it will look like in 10 years.
Rutgers is ranked In the 40s and will rise going forward.
Out of 4,000+ colleges, not bad!
Rutgers- New Brunswick's acceptance rate is 67%. Its yield is pretty low, so for right now, many, many students use it as a safety.
Contrast with UVA, UNC, UofF, Michigan, etc.
But time will tell if based on the factors above, things change.
Rutgers wasn't being compared to already elite public flagships ( you can scratch Florida...don't know how that got snuck in there with UNC, UVA and Michigan). However, within 10 years, state flagships will rise in popularity , and Rutgers stands to remain well within the top 40 or so.
DP. You know Florida is ranked #28 in National Universities, and #6 in publics, right?
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-florida-1535/overall-rankings
Solid school, but way behind Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, UVA in prestige.
Certainly at the U of Texas Austin and top southern flagships level.
UF and UGA are not way behind, your understanding of prestige is.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 07:01
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh wonderful. Yet another thread that is an expression of what someone hopes will happen. Because as predictive value, the value of this is 0.
+1
X1000000
Anonymous
12/20/2023 06:57
Subject: Re:Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Who cares and who can possibly know?
Anonymous
12/20/2023 06:56
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:State flagships are the next “thing”. Families will increasingly balk at spending outrageous sums for Larla to vape and whine about micro aggressions at obscure private schools.
Employers will increasingly balk at dealing with obnoxious super-woke hires from ivies. Without leading to a lucrative employment pipeline, their desirability will slowly ebb.
For most families, state flagships have always been the “thing”
Yes, by definition.
Anonymous
12/20/2023 06:26
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:Oh wonderful. Yet another thread that is an expression of what someone hopes will happen. Because as predictive value, the value of this is 0.
+1
Anonymous
12/20/2023 05:49
Subject: Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:State flagships are the next “thing”. Families will increasingly balk at spending outrageous sums for Larla to vape and whine about micro aggressions at obscure private schools.
Employers will increasingly balk at dealing with obnoxious super-woke hires from ivies. Without leading to a lucrative employment pipeline, their desirability will slowly ebb.
For most families, state flagships have always been the “thing”
Anonymous
12/20/2023 05:40
Subject: Re:Which schools will continue to be the most sought after in the next decade? Which ones will hit a downward trajectory?
Anonymous wrote:South and west will rise, north and east will decline. Generally speaking.
Half of the east is the south.