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Anonymous wrote:I know a kid who got in who is none of those things. He is finishing up his first semester at Yale right now. He's Asian, too! I don't know his stats as he is a friend, but from what I know he had outstanding academics, national math and science competitions, top musician, etc. It does happen.

It’s 2023 post affirmative action. If your kid didn’t get in, then it has nothing to do with his/her hook so please stop including URM as a reason. They just didn’t make the cut.

The quoted post is the only answer I will accept now because the old excuses no longer work and now your child will be judged negatively the same way my child was judged. How does it feel?

-URM Mother of an Ivy student who is obviously not surprised the same blame and excuses are still being used.

you are mistaken. URM and first-generation (greatest percentage of First gen are URMs) is still very much alive. C.J. Roberts said in the opinion that the discussion of import of race in the applicant's life just moves to the essays. American colleges are going to continue to engage in social engineering even if they have to hire more readers to figure out who is whom without a box.

Of course.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a kid who got in who is none of those things. He is finishing up his first semester at Yale right now. He's Asian, too! I don't know his stats as he is a friend, but from what I know he had outstanding academics, national math and science competitions, top musician, etc. It does happen.

It’s 2023 post affirmative action. If your kid didn’t get in, then it has nothing to do with his/her hook so please stop including URM as a reason. They just didn’t make the cut.

The quoted post is the only answer I will accept now because the old excuses no longer work and now your child will be judged negatively the same way my child was judged. How does it feel?

-URM Mother of an Ivy student who is obviously not surprised the same blame and excuses are still being used.

you are mistaken. URM and first-generation (greatest percentage of First gen are URMs) is still very much alive. C.J. Roberts said in the opinion that the discussion of import of race in the applicant's life just moves to the essays. American colleges are going to continue to engage in social engineering even if they have to hire more readers to figure out who is whom without a box.

Reddit had really good detailed info….

The only ones I know were ROTC and URM in addition to the right stats.

Anonymous wrote:Are the admits from DC pretty much all legacies? Any non-legacy cases?

We know a kid, son of one of my DH’s coworkers - white, UMC, male from the DMV with no hooks. Top academics + crazy community orientated spike developed over 10+ years which shows great commitment. Plus the kid is very humble and charming, the type everyone likes, so I can imagine he had excellent recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Legacy/Athlete/URM - any DMV admits at all? Looking at our school, this seems to take up 100 percent of the cases.

Yes, there is little room for kids admitted solely on merit these days.

NP. Junior mom. A little shocked to see the assertions on this thread. What an awful situation for our top universities to be driven by legacy considerations. Even the UK with its traditions of royalty does not permit this.

Virtually all the legacies I know getting admitted are highly qualified. I'd be much more concerned about the famous/influential people's kids or the 1st gens/URMs.

If highly qualified, they should compete EQUALLY against non legacies. Tons of people are qualified. To edge out others on the basis of legacy is the problem.

Why should they compete equally though? We're not in what Rawls would call the original position. Most top schools and their alumni want the connection and tradition. They love multigenerational families. As schools more push for estate planning positions with wealthy alumni, I wouldn't be surprised if these connections become more useful data points for them $$ wise too. Grandparents love to see a kid follow in their footsteps.

Why should people compete equally? Hahhahahahahah. What a question. Never thought I would hear this in America. Let the already privileged compete less than equally..amazing..

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Legacy/Athlete/URM - any DMV admits at all? Looking at our school, this seems to take up 100 percent of the cases.

Yes, there is little room for kids admitted solely on merit these days.

NP. Junior mom. A little shocked to see the assertions on this thread. What an awful situation for our top universities to be driven by legacy considerations. Even the UK with its traditions of royalty does not permit this.

Virtually all the legacies I know getting admitted are highly qualified. I'd be much more concerned about the famous/influential people's kids or the 1st gens/URMs.

If highly qualified, they should compete EQUALLY against non legacies. Tons of people are qualified. To edge out others on the basis of legacy is the problem.

Why should they compete equally though? We're not in what Rawls would call the original position. Most top schools and their alumni want the connection and tradition. They love multigenerational families. As schools more push for estate planning positions with wealthy alumni, I wouldn't be surprised if these connections become more useful data points for them $$ wise too. Grandparents love to see a kid follow in their footsteps.

This is not a wholly privately funded club. They take goverment money. Should not be allowed to service Grandpas desires at soemone else's expense.

Anonymous wrote:I know a kid who got in who is none of those things. He is finishing up his first semester at Yale right now. He's Asian, too! I don't know his stats as he is a friend, but from what I know he had outstanding academics, national math and science competitions, top musician, etc. It does happen.

It’s 2023 post affirmative action. If your kid didn’t get in, then it has nothing to do with his/her hook so please stop including URM as a reason. They just didn’t make the cut.

The quoted post is the only answer I will accept now because the old excuses no longer work and now your child will be judged negatively the same way my child was judged. How does it feel?

-URM Mother of an Ivy student who is obviously not surprised the same blame and excuses are still being used.

Anonymous wrote:Check the thread on being compared to your peers. If YALE is the whole point then send your kids to a hood school. Drop them off. Pick them up. Supplement at home and sign them up for activities away from their hood classmates. They'll really stand out against their peers then.

Sounds gross, doesn't it?

Take a break...

Remember that what you write on an "anonymous forum" isn't necessarily 100% anonymous, so think hard before saying things like "hood school" and "hood classmates."

Remember no one has any moral right to admission at a top school like Yale. Having a higher test score or GPA doesn't necessarily make you more deserving considering what some kids have overcome. Having the best jump shot in the country isn't going to get you in on its own either. Putting together a class is tough and it is hard to see our own kids even somewhat objectively.
I 100% agree these schools should be growing and reaching more people.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Legacy/Athlete/URM - any DMV admits at all? Looking at our school, this seems to take up 100 percent of the cases.

Yes, there is little room for kids admitted solely on merit these days.

NP. Junior mom. A little shocked to see the assertions on this thread. What an awful situation for our top universities to be driven by legacy considerations. Even the UK with its traditions of royalty does not permit this.

Virtually all the legacies I know getting admitted are highly qualified. I'd be much more concerned about the famous/influential people's kids or the 1st gens/URMs.

If highly qualified, they should compete EQUALLY against non legacies. Tons of people are qualified. To edge out others on the basis of legacy is the problem.

Why should they compete equally though? We're not in what Rawls would call the original position. Most top schools and their alumni want the connection and tradition. They love multigenerational families. As schools more push for estate planning positions with wealthy alumni, I wouldn't be surprised if these connections become more useful data points for them $$ wise too. Grandparents love to see a kid follow in their footsteps.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Legacy/Athlete/URM - any DMV admits at all? Looking at our school, this seems to take up 100 percent of the cases.

Yes, there is little room for kids admitted solely on merit these days.

NP. Junior mom. A little shocked to see the assertions on this thread. What an awful situation for our top universities to be driven by legacy considerations. Even the UK with its traditions of royalty does not permit this.

Virtually all the legacies I know getting admitted are highly qualified. I'd be much more concerned about the famous/influential people's kids or the 1st gens/URMs.

If highly qualified, they should compete EQUALLY against non legacies. Tons of people are qualified. To edge out others on the basis of legacy is the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing this thread. Realizing it was a BIG mistake to apply early to Yale. Top kid but zero hooks! Oh well..

I'm sorry. But if they have the stats to be competitive at Yale, they will do fine in the end.

But yes, I would not encourage any unhooked kid to apply SCEA to Harvard or Yale. Waste of an opportunity. The sweet spot for a strong ED application are the schools ranked 10-20. You'll never know whether they could have gotten into Stanford, but you'll avoid the stress and anarchy of regular decision and still be assured of a great education.

Aim for above average and let your kid have regrets?

Check the thread on being compared to your peers. If YALE is the whole point then send your kids to a hood school. Drop them off. Pick them up. Supplement at home and sign them up for activities away from their hood classmates. They'll really stand out against their peers then.

Sounds gross, doesn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Legacy/Athlete/URM - any DMV admits at all? Looking at our school, this seems to take up 100 percent of the cases.

Yes, there is little room for kids admitted solely on merit these days.

NP. Junior mom. A little shocked to see the assertions on this thread. What an awful situation for our top universities to be driven by legacy considerations. Even the UK with its traditions of royalty does not permit this.

Virtually all the legacies I know getting admitted are highly qualified. I'd be much more concerned about the famous/influential people's kids or the 1st gens/URMs.

NP here. I'd say it is a toss up. In the examples I am thinking of, there are "athletes" whose parents happen to be loaded. Kids know who is who, with regard to class placement, rank, etc. (even if the school does not rank) - and/or if there is a sob story someone created on their essay, or a large donation, from a kid who was otherwise borderline or less than borderline admit - ALL the kids know who they are. Frankly, if I were their parents, I would be embarrassed about pimping my kid that way, but some parents really need the affirmation in life. Everyone in the school knows who they are. Kids do pay attention to that kind of thing, and kids do talk, but those admitted student parents are too stupid to know better.