Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:28     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
I'm fascinated by the thought process fo some people on this thread.

Teacher, I got an A on the first test, so you should just give me As on all them from now on.

I was the earliest reader in kindergarten, so I should get As for the rest of my life.

I was my high school valedictorian, so you should just grant me summa cum laude in college, and give me a Ph.D while you're at it -- I don't actually need to do the work, you know I'm good for it.

No wonder so many of they HYP grads get to the real world and are miffed at having to do entry level work. They should just be given the keys to the C-suite already!

Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:27     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let’s try this again: Extremely bright, extremely motivated, extremely achievement-oriented students choose a top school.
They are given tasks and assignments. If all of them do what they are asked to do, then all of them get As — as they should.

It really doesn’t make sense to continually post threads questioning why students who were picked because they are excellent students earning top grades continue to be excellent students earning top grades while they are in college. Education doesn’t require artificially creating a zero sum game. Education requires mastery.



If everyone is getting a 3.7 GPA or higher, it will make the vetting process by employers much harder.

This is NOT how it works in the real world. In my software engineering group of twenty, two people will get a rating of 4 (exceptional), three people will get a rating of 3 (outstanding), ten people will get a rating of two (successful), and five people will get a rating of 1 (below average). Why can't they do the same in college? Where I work, they will pick a recent grad with a 2.5 GPA but with AWS certification(s) over a grad with 4.0 GPA but no AWS certification(s).


What a crappy place. Sounds like how Capital One does it.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:25     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DEI admits often submit lousy work but profs have to give them decent grades. To stay reasonably objective, this means the better work of non-DEI admits has to be graded at least as well or higher. The end result is almost everyone gets high grades. NYT won't tell you this but it's the obvious explanation.


Oh horse shit, you racist piece of excrement.


It's not racism. They explicitly lower standards to achieve whatever diversity they want to achieve. This is mathematically inevitable.


That didn't actually happen, moron. What bizarre fantasy life you lead.

Unless, as others point out, you mean "athletes" when you say "DEI?"

Or, white kids?


Ok, so you think black/Hispanic/first gen kids are of equivalent academic caliber - even though we know based on hard statistical information they are not? It's not even some kind of secret the schools deny - they openly have lower standards to achieve diversity objectives.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:23     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, when they're letting in morons like Jared Kushner, what do you expect?


Actually, they’re not. Kushner went to Harvard.

Let’s try this again: Extremely bright, extremely motivated, extremely achievement-oriented students choose a top school.
They are given tasks and assignments. If all of them do what they are asked to do, then all of them get As — as they should.

It really doesn’t make sense to continually post threads questioning why students who were picked because they are excellent students earning top grades continue to be excellent students earning top grades while they are in college. Education doesn’t require artificially creating a zero sum game. Education requires mastery.



This. They got straight As in high school. Why would you expect them to be getting Bs and Cs in college?


Because some people peak in high school. Some high schools give out As like candy without really teaching anything. Because college is supposed to be harder than high school, especially if you want your college to be considered "elite." The more elite the institution, the harder it should be to do well there. And so on.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:20     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale is a JOKE


But if you want to go into finance, it's awesome. Get your undergrad degree and then you're done with schooling for life. No need to do an MBA, it's a horrible ROI (like -$600K to your net worth). Wall Street is filled with guys who did 4 years of drinking at HYP and rose through the finance ranks.

That's who is benefitting from 80% As at Yale.


And yet some people still want to believe there is a meritocracy in the U.S.


It's not and never was.

The corruption with admissions for elite med school is insane - lots of backscratching among wealthy doctors and donors. If you have an IQ over 110, you can learn to be a doctor. The hardest part is getting through the gatekeeping.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:19     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DEI admits often submit lousy work but profs have to give them decent grades. To stay reasonably objective, this means the better work of non-DEI admits has to be graded at least as well or higher. The end result is almost everyone gets high grades. NYT won't tell you this but it's the obvious explanation.


Oh horse shit, you racist piece of excrement.


It's not racism. They explicitly lower standards to achieve whatever diversity they want to achieve. This is mathematically inevitable.


That didn't actually happen, moron. What bizarre fantasy life you lead.

Unless, as others point out, you mean "athletes" when you say "DEI?"

Or, white kids?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:18     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:If you have an Einstein and a Newton in a class of 2, why can't they both get As they deserve. Why must there always an F?


Because you are grading the class. If you have a class of two, only one can be #1.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:17     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how good ivy students are.
Born leaders.
Natural academic talent.
This explains mostly As.


Oh Christ.


These kids are top 1%, nationally and internationally.

What's the point of refining their pecking order to top 1%, top 10% top 25%, top 50%, bottom 75%, bottom 10%, bottom 1%?


They are not the top1%. Some are; plenty are not. Plenty of kids who really are the top 1% don't get into these schools.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:15     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale is a JOKE


But if you want to go into finance, it's awesome. Get your undergrad degree and then you're done with schooling for life. No need to do an MBA, it's a horrible ROI (like -$600K to your net worth). Wall Street is filled with guys who did 4 years of drinking at HYP and rose through the finance ranks.

That's who is benefitting from 80% As at Yale.


And yet some people still want to believe there is a meritocracy in the U.S.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:14     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:If you have an Einstein and a Newton in a class of 2, why can't they both get As they deserve. Why must there always an F?


Well Thomas Edison became famous and wealthy while Tesla became a broke man.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:07     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, when they're letting in morons like Jared Kushner, what do you expect?


Actually, they’re not. Kushner went to Harvard.

Let’s try this again: Extremely bright, extremely motivated, extremely achievement-oriented students choose a top school.
They are given tasks and assignments. If all of them do what they are asked to do, then all of them get As — as they should.

It really doesn’t make sense to continually post threads questioning why students who were picked because they are excellent students earning top grades continue to be excellent students earning top grades while they are in college. Education doesn’t require artificially creating a zero sum game. Education requires mastery.



Then why have grades at all if we are just going to assume or pretend that people who got As in high school (not matter what the high school was teaching or how it was grading) are guaranteed to be stellar at level 4 college courses across the board as well?


Wasn't jimmy Carter's daughter kicked out for academics at brown?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:05     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, when they're letting in morons like Jared Kushner, what do you expect?


Actually, they’re not. Kushner went to Harvard.

Let’s try this again: Extremely bright, extremely motivated, extremely achievement-oriented students choose a top school.
They are given tasks and assignments. If all of them do what they are asked to do, then all of them get As — as they should.

It really doesn’t make sense to continually post threads questioning why students who were picked because they are excellent students earning top grades continue to be excellent students earning top grades while they are in college. Education doesn’t require artificially creating a zero sum game. Education requires mastery.



Then why have grades at all if we are just going to assume or pretend that people who got As in high school (not matter what the high school was teaching or how it was grading) are guaranteed to be stellar at level 4 college courses across the board as well?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 14:05     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
The goal of these schools is not to educate or even challenge students. The goal is to give them an elite experience they enjoy so much that they donate gobs of money throughout the rest of their lives.
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 13:52     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
If you have an Einstein and a Newton in a class of 2, why can't they both get As they deserve. Why must there always an F?
Anonymous
Post 12/06/2023 13:50     Subject: 80% Yale Grades A & A-
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how good ivy students are.
Born leaders.
Natural academic talent.
This explains mostly As.


Oh Christ.


These kids are top 1%, nationally and internationally.

What's the point of refining their pecking order to top 1%, top 10% top 25%, top 50%, bottom 75%, bottom 10%, bottom 1%?