Anonymous
11/28/2023 07:05
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.
They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.
Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.
Whenever the truth undermines the “educated class” it’s buried.
China and Sweden are both developed nations. Their approaches were opposite.
They cannot both be correct.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 07:00
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.
+1
I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.
So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?
NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.
Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.
The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)
That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.
Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:59
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
No way in H E double toothpicks we’re the Amish going to let their kin die in a hospital where they couldn’t visit them and surround them with love.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:58
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:We're research scientists with MDs and PhDs and NO, we personally know (or have heard of in our circle) absolutely zero PhDs or MDs who are vaccine-deniers.
My aunt, who has a high school diploma, became a raw vegan, and vaccine denier, decades ago. She died of Covid last year.
She was intelligent, but with a very contrarian, anti-establishment sort of personality. She felt the government was hiding things from her, the medical establishment was under the control of Big Pharma, etc. She lacked the critical thinking and scientific approach necessary to distinguish false experts from legitimate ones. Despite our efforts at providing information, she did not deviate from her beliefs, and died for them.
I think some human brains are just wired to find satisfaction in countering the established knowledge and power centers. They're people who feel stifled by the mundanity of their daily lives, and feel compelled to seek more exciting/grandiose explanations that place them in more central roles. Some may be twice exceptional (high IQ with ADHD/ASD/learning disabilities) who are underemployed and lack constructive outlets for their splinter skills.
It becomes Main Character Syndrome, in a way. The "I know better, you guys are just sheep" way of life. It boils down to a certain type of neurodivergence.
Some of this, except they generally aren’t intelligent. And “twice exceptional” is a stupid term. Just say abnormal or something.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:58
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.
They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.
Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.
They were already in a bubble.
They caught it practically on purpose with tight group meetings and sharing cups. They went the herd immunity route and it pretty much worked.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:54
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.
They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.
Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.
They were already in a bubble.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:54
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.
+1
I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.
Same here. Considering on 14% of Americans have received the latest covid vaccine, I think you are in the minority.
Add me to the list, since I was warned NOT to get the booster for at least 3 months following Omicron. And this was my doctor warning me!
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:53
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most people do vaccinations. You are being absurd.
Most people do not get an abortion, yet everybody flips the-F out politically over the issue.
It is absurd.
Why wouldn’t people “flip the F out” about it? No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:52
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.
They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.
Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.
Whenever the truth undermines the “educated class” it’s buried.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:50
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.
They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.
Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:47
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:No- I know many in the medical field that just didn’t trust that it had been vetted enough. These were people who saw Covid first hand. Most recognize who was at risk and felt they were nit in that population.
Like Li Wenliang, the Chinese ophthalmologist who first tried to get the word out about the new syndrome, before dying of it himself?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:44
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have no problem getting vaccines, I get all of them. I don't have any weird side effects and I don't know others who actually do either although I've heard of people who think they do.
My conservative neighbor told me that many people have died from the covid vaccine but she was unable to direct me to any solid data on that. Does anybody here believe that is true and know of some proof?
It’s not that I think people have died from getting the Covid vaccine. It’s that I think it’s ineffective at preventing it or weakening the symptoms.
There’s no way to research it. You can’t prove that someone would have been sicker if they hadn’t gotten the vaccine. But I do know that half my family got vaccinated and half of my family did not. We all got sick at the same time. Believe it or not, and I know you won’t, but the people who were vaccinated and boosted were sicker than the ones who were not vaccinated. We’re talking about people who are the same ages, with the same general health. I suspect that fear and anxiety (found more in the vaccinated group) caused them to be sicker, not the disease itself.
My husband got boosted when we got the kid their shot (they weren't eligible per age before then) and we all got covid about a 6 weeks later when it should have been at its most effective. I did not do a booster as I got sick for months from the second shot and I got over covid in a few days, no big deal and my husband was sick for about 10 days. He usually doesn't get sick, but I catch everything. I think people hide behind the vaccine to justify their choices and one of those choices is not taking basic precautions. After that, I see no need to continue with boosters, especially when there are no long term studies and for me, covid was easier than the shot.
This same scenario happened in my house. I got the booster and 4 weeks later contracted covid, gave it to everyone in my house, and I was the sickest. I don't see the point of getting another.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:36
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
No- I know many in the medical field that just didn’t trust that it had been vetted enough. These were people who saw Covid first hand. Most recognize who was at risk and felt they were nit in that population.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 06:29
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
My second cousin, who is an MD/psychiatrist, decided that the "science" behind the Covid vaccine did not make sense and didn't get it. He eventually got Covid in 2021, got a bad case of it, and ended up in the hospital and in rehab afterward. I wouldn't say he's a conspiracy theorist, just an overthinker and a bit arrogant. He's vaccinated now.
Anonymous
11/27/2023 22:39
Subject: Re:Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All the people I know, or know of, who died were unvaccinated . Enough for me.
Not one person in my universe even went to the hospital for covid
Soon after vaccine one dropped dead heart attack and one stroke.
Completely the opposite for me. I know 5 people who died from Covid or from a heart attack right after they had it. Zero from vaccines.
Same for me. Spouse and I know at least 7 people who died of Covid in the last 2 years. Several guys my dh went to college with died - they were all magas. One guy lost his whole family. Another friend lost his parents who had been in good health but refused to go to the doctor when they got covid. They were certain it was all a conspiracy. also magas. They were found at home dead days after they died. I could keep going. My neigobor's brother wouldn't get the shot and died in the first year.