Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 11:24     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
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Where would you not submit at 1520 or a 1540. Some counselors are telling kids with these scores to go test optional to very highly selective schools.. the whole process, in terms of TO, has become a game. Wish college had to be either test required or test blind.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay, consensus seems to be to submit the score. I think it is a great score. Math is 770 and verbal is 730.



Do you know the meaning of consensus? There's five pages of differing views. But you should do what you want, ignore the consultant you're paying, and submit a score that's in the bottom fourth of enrolled students from last year.


It’s not in the bottom fourth of enrolled students if 32% didn’t submit any scores. Likely that means it is in the top 1/2 of enrolled students.

The 32% that didn’t submit were probably scoring well below 1500.



A 1500 is a drag on the average. Hard to see how that's a plus.

NP. I think counselors saying not to submit a 1500 are giving bad advice. Maybe the student won't get in, but a 1500 isn't going to be the reason. 1500 shows they are prepared for Duke. Go back to the pre-test-optional data from Common Data Set 2020-21, which was 1480-1560.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 11:24     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
More like 2 million take the SAT. Just to be accurate. And I think that the real measure is against the entire graduating class of 2023. Not just the 70% who choose to submit scores with their applications.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 11:21     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
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Anonymous wrote:

And the fact that scores are so susceptible to prep makes it more clear you should submit; if the school assumes you prepped and still couldn't get a decent score, that's not a good look.


I don't get you logic. You think it's a better idea to submit a significantly below average score to Duke because you'd worry that, if you don't submit a score, Duke will assume that the student got a significantly below average score. Doesn't make much sense.
And I assume Duke would prefer to not have to put this mediocre score into its average.


Yes. And with no hesitation. The schools average is based on self selecting applicants. All of whom are reaching for a top school. Many of whom have been snookered into not submitting great scores.

Nationally (and internationally) a 1500 is a fantastic score. With 1.5m in the proband you know your percentile really means something. No one gets to opt out of being counted nationally.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 11:16     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:

And the fact that scores are so susceptible to prep makes it more clear you should submit; if the school assumes you prepped and still couldn't get a decent score, that's not a good look.


I don't get you logic. You think it's a better idea to submit a significantly below average score to Duke because you'd worry that, if you don't submit a score, Duke will assume that the student got a significantly below average score. Doesn't make much sense.
And I assume Duke would prefer to not have to put this mediocre score into its average.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 09:05     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
The reason to submit a 1500 to every school is because if you don't, the school will be assuming you got something much worse than a 1500. Even if they say they won't, they will assume this if you're white/Asian and UMC.

And the fact that scores are so susceptible to prep makes it more clear you should submit; if the school assumes you prepped and still couldn't get a decent score, that's not a good look.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 08:52     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
I would say submit. Duke is extremely selective so there’s really no pattern to try and fit. We know multiple 1600s flat out rejected from Duke (including in ED), and multiple below 1550 that were accepted. Just try hard on the essays!
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 08:16     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:DC scored 1500 on SAT. I think DC should submit to Duke but college counselor said score is below 1550 so DC should not admit. This seems crazy to me. Any thoughts?


Yes, it does seem crazy. Are you Asian? That’s what the international students are told. For US students it’s a solid score.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 08:08     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
My family knows Duke pretty well. From what I can tell the school is extremely GPA and test score sensitive for resourced kids from densely populated areas. Maybe submit but don’t get too invested in this one. I know it’s crazy.
Anonymous
Post 11/24/2023 07:18     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Okay, consensus seems to be to submit the score. I think it is a great score. Math is 770 and verbal is 730.


+1
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2023 23:42     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?

Where would you not submit at 1520 or a 1540. Some counselors are telling kids with these scores to go test optional to very highly selective schools.. the whole process, in terms of TO, has become a game. Wish college had to be either test required or test blind.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, consensus seems to be to submit the score. I think it is a great score. Math is 770 and verbal is 730.



Do you know the meaning of consensus? There's five pages of differing views. But you should do what you want, ignore the consultant you're paying, and submit a score that's in the bottom fourth of enrolled students from last year.


It’s not in the bottom fourth of enrolled students if 32% didn’t submit any scores. Likely that means it is in the top 1/2 of enrolled students.

The 32% that didn’t submit were probably scoring well below 1500.



A 1500 is a drag on the average. Hard to see how that's a plus.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2023 22:25     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, consensus seems to be to submit the score. I think it is a great score. Math is 770 and verbal is 730.



Do you know the meaning of consensus? There's five pages of differing views. But you should do what you want, ignore the consultant you're paying, and submit a score that's in the bottom fourth of enrolled students from last year.


Yes, these colleges want to get their average up. You're not helping them with a below average score.

This isn't rocket science. Just common sense.

It’s not in the bottom fourth of enrolled students if 32% didn’t submit any scores. Likely that means it is in the top 1/2 of enrolled students.

The 32% that didn’t submit were probably scoring well below 1500.



A 1500 is a drag on the average. Hard to see how that's a plus.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2023 22:24     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
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Anonymous wrote:System is getting more and more fukced up


Yes, including rich people buying college counselors.


This!
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2023 22:03     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, consensus seems to be to submit the score. I think it is a great score. Math is 770 and verbal is 730.



Do you know the meaning of consensus? There's five pages of differing views. But you should do what you want, ignore the consultant you're paying, and submit a score that's in the bottom fourth of enrolled students from last year.


It’s not in the bottom fourth of enrolled students if 32% didn’t submit any scores. Likely that means it is in the top 1/2 of enrolled students.

The 32% that didn’t submit were probably scoring well below 1500.



A 1500 is a drag on the average. Hard to see how that's a plus.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2023 21:54     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
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Anonymous wrote:A relative of mine knows someone who works in Duke admissions. This person said TO iOS not for white kids with college educated parents- that it’s seen as a red flag not to submit in that demographic situation. If 1500 is over the 25th quartile, submit


Unless of course kid is a legacy or child of a big donor or someone famous. In which case, Duke loves TO as if allows them to take kids in this category that they would never take if the school had to report test scores for them.


Pp. you are probably right
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2023 21:53     Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, consensus seems to be to submit the score. I think it is a great score. Math is 770 and verbal is 730.



Do you know the meaning of consensus? There's five pages of differing views. But you should do what you want, ignore the consultant you're paying, and submit a score that's in the bottom fourth of enrolled students from last year.


It’s not in the bottom fourth of enrolled students if 32% didn’t submit any scores. Likely that means it is in the top 1/2 of enrolled students.

The 32% that didn’t submit were probably scoring well below 1500.