Anonymous
11/17/2023 12:25
Subject: Re:Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you ever ridden the bus? People hate the bus because it takes forever and a day to show up, and then there's bus stops every 12 feet because, heaven forbid, people have to do some walking. Car traffic is not the reason people don't want to take the bus.
You: the bus is bad because it's slow
Also you: one of the main things that slows buses is not the reason for the bus being bad
i used to ride the bus every day for many years. if i had to make a list of reasons why it sucked and hopefully i will never do it again, car traffic would not be in the top 20. there are SO many other reasons to hate the bus.
This.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 12:16
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dedicated bus lanes are a waste of resources. They’re used a handful of times in an hour. Meanwhile you’re backing up traffic.
+1
Same with bike lanes. The purpose of our transportation system should be to move as many people around as efficiently as possible. It shouldn't be to put your thumb on the scale for modes of transportation favored by young lefties that few people actually want to use.
Buses are very efficient. Bicycles are very efficient. Cars are very inefficient.
Do you think creating special lanes for people who want to get around via horseback would be efficient?
Creating dedicated lanes for ways of getting around that only a tiny share of people actually use is the definition of inefficiency.
Not only do few people ride the bus (or bike), but the lanes are almost always empty because there are so few buses (and cyclists).
Anonymous
11/17/2023 10:38
Subject: Re:Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have you ever ridden the bus? People hate the bus because it takes forever and a day to show up, and then there's bus stops every 12 feet because, heaven forbid, people have to do some walking. Car traffic is not the reason people don't want to take the bus.
+1
At a certain point walking is faster than the bus.
Bus lanes speed up bus trips.
Buses run roughly every 30 minutes. Are they adding more buses in the rotation? Or just that instead of being late by 5 minutes, they will just be on time at 30 minutes. I now drive, but I rode the bus for most of my life. Bus lanes won’t make a difference unless they’re adding more buses to the route which they won’t do.
You were never on any buses that were delayed by car traffic or by having to merge back into car traffic? I sure have. And being on time is better than being late.
Sure I have. Just as I have been delayed while driving a car. Backups happen, but I don’t see how a dedicated bus lane is justified.
It's justified because one bus can carry dozens of people, so it's more efficient to prioritize that trip than it is to make buses sit between cars carrying one to five passengers.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 10:35
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Actual bus rider: I want a trip that doesn't take as long.
Yes, that's why they don't want to be stuck behind bicycles. Of course, if you don’t ride the bus and only pretend to care about buses, you don’t see a problem there.
Anonymous wrote:Which is quite different from imaginary bus riders, made up by those unfortunate few whose obviously unrewarding hobby is expressing bigotry against people when the people are using bicycles. I often think such people would be happier if they used a bike to go somewhere, every now and then, but what can you do? Everyone has to make these decisions for themselves.
I know the survey of commuters showed a pretty big demographic divide between bus riders and bike riders. But I didn’t imagine the divide was so large that all the cyclists commenting here seem to live in a bubble where they don’t even think bus commuters who don’t bike exist. It’s impressive.
Your response to “please keep cars and bikes out of bus lanes” is to say I must be a car driver and then to tell me to ride a bike. The possibility that someone could think that buses should be prioritized on part of a few roads actually brings out anger and insults from you.
That’s fine, but don’t get so angry at people suggesting lanes reserved only for buses and then call yourself a bus advocate.
You’re absurd and have zero interest in improving buses. This is just your latest stupid way to blast bikes. The reasons buses get delayed is cars not bikes, period end of story. But if you’d like to advocate for the bus lane + protected bike lane combo that’s great! The Penn Ave project is fabulous.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 10:18
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Your obsessive posting makes me kind of sad, actually. I hope life gets better for you. Bigotry is not good for the soul.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 10:08
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Actual bus rider: I want a trip that doesn't take as long.
Yes, that's why they don't want to be stuck behind bicycles. Of course, if you don’t ride the bus and only pretend to care about buses, you don’t see a problem there.
Anonymous wrote:Which is quite different from imaginary bus riders, made up by those unfortunate few whose obviously unrewarding hobby is expressing bigotry against people when the people are using bicycles. I often think such people would be happier if they used a bike to go somewhere, every now and then, but what can you do? Everyone has to make these decisions for themselves.
I know the survey of commuters showed a pretty big demographic divide between bus riders and bike riders. But I didn’t imagine the divide was so large that all the cyclists commenting here seem to live in a bubble where they don’t even think bus commuters who don’t bike exist. It’s impressive.
Your response to “please keep cars and bikes out of bus lanes” is to say I must be a car driver and then to tell me to ride a bike. The possibility that someone could think that buses should be prioritized on part of a few roads actually brings out anger and insults from you.
That’s fine, but don’t get so angry at people suggesting lanes reserved only for buses and then call yourself a bus advocate.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 09:44
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that motorists would be angry about bus lanes. They seem unaware that buses reduce traffic congestion and take cars off the road, making your experience as a motorist BETTER. Every bus can replace 30-60 cars and takes up far less room on the highway than those cars.
But no, instead people are selfish and ignorant and clueless.
Bus rider: I want some lanes dedicated for buses that neither cars no bicycles ride in.
Brilliant cyclists: Why are motorists like you against bus lanes?
Just give us enough space for public transportation and then you and the motorists can fight over whatever is left. Don’t say you support dedicated bus lanes, then get pissed when someone actually wants a dedicated bus lane.
Saying “I support dedicated bus lanes but think bikes should be able to go on them” is like saying “yeah, I support dedicated bike lanes but think cars should be able to ride on them.” It’s obviously ridiculous.
Actual bus rider: I want a trip that doesn't take as long.
Which is quite different from imaginary bus riders, made up by those unfortunate few whose obviously unrewarding hobby is expressing bigotry against people when the people are using bicycles. I often think such people would be happier if they used a bike to go somewhere, every now and then, but what can you do? Everyone has to make these decisions for themselves.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 09:32
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that motorists would be angry about bus lanes. They seem unaware that buses reduce traffic congestion and take cars off the road, making your experience as a motorist BETTER. Every bus can replace 30-60 cars and takes up far less room on the highway than those cars.
But no, instead people are selfish and ignorant and clueless.
Bus rider: I want some lanes dedicated for buses that neither cars no bicycles ride in.
Brilliant cyclists: Why are motorists like you against bus lanes?
Just give us enough space for public transportation and then you and the motorists can fight over whatever is left. Don’t say you support dedicated bus lanes, then get pissed when someone actually wants a dedicated bus lane.
Saying “I support dedicated bus lanes but think bikes should be able to go on them” is like saying “yeah, I support dedicated bike lanes but think cars should be able to ride on them.” It’s obviously ridiculous.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 09:19
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t really understand how bud lanes are supposed to work when you are turning right. Do you pull into the bus lane to turn right? Or turn from the middle lane and cross the bus lane to turn right?
"Cars can enter the bus lane only to make a right turn, no more than 100 feet before the turn."
https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=44317
I'm sure those details will be closely enforced, just like the many rules around bikes making "Idaho stops" and marijuana possession are closely policed.
I don't understand. Are you saying that drivers are scofflaws?
No. The point was how cyclists and potheads are scofflaws.
Do you even context?
So car drivers won't drive in the red bus lanes? That's good news.
Anonymous
11/17/2023 09:16
Subject: Red lanes are spreading from DC to MD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t really understand how bud lanes are supposed to work when you are turning right. Do you pull into the bus lane to turn right? Or turn from the middle lane and cross the bus lane to turn right?
"Cars can enter the bus lane only to make a right turn, no more than 100 feet before the turn."
https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Detail.aspx?Item_ID=44317
I'm sure those details will be closely enforced, just like the many rules around bikes making "Idaho stops" and marijuana possession are closely policed.
I don't understand. Are you saying that drivers are scofflaws?
No. The point was how cyclists and potheads are scofflaws.
Do you even context?