Anonymous
01/12/2024 18:26
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was a problem five years when we had HS students in FCPS. I see nothing has changed.
Things have gotten much, much worse for teachers.
The workload has piled to such astronomical heights at this point that even the most experienced teachers with the biggest bag of tricks can’t keep up.
Several teachers have sincerely tried to explain the workload. These aren’t complaints. They are illustrations that explain why grading is challenging and why so many teachers are leaving the profession.
But DCUM continues to be DCUM. Any time a thread is about teachers, posters with no experience with teaching complain about how teachers should get it done. If teachers have it so easy, why aren’t there major lines of people fighting for each opening?
It seems to me, given the teacher shortages, that what help can be more easily provided, would be administrative. Why do teachers have to do all the grading and entering in gradebooks? Maybe have a shared resource for each subject that can help with grading, and entering stuff? Wouldn't that free the teachers up to spend more time on their lesson plans and meetings where they have to be involved?
+100
Honestly having specific things to advocate for - like shifting grading & grade entering & copying to admin support staff roles & pushing for $ for that - would be concretely useful. I agree that it seems teaching has become impossible lately but the specifics on how to return it to possible are less clear.
I'm wondering if this can even be done by volunteers, although that can be a bit fraught. Maybe parent volunteers can do it for teachers that don't teach their own kids or HS kids can do it as their service hours, especially for middle/elementary grades.
It wouldn’t work for classes where the primary grades are essay based (AP and IB courses, for example). The teacher needs to physically see the students’ work and track progress.
There’s one solution: teachers need to teach fewer classes, freeing them up to do work at work. Imagine the difference between 150 students with 45 minutes to grade a day versus 120 students with 90 minutes to grade a day.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 18:19
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was a problem five years when we had HS students in FCPS. I see nothing has changed.
Things have gotten much, much worse for teachers.
The workload has piled to such astronomical heights at this point that even the most experienced teachers with the biggest bag of tricks can’t keep up.
Several teachers have sincerely tried to explain the workload. These aren’t complaints. They are illustrations that explain why grading is challenging and why so many teachers are leaving the profession.
But DCUM continues to be DCUM. Any time a thread is about teachers, posters with no experience with teaching complain about how teachers should get it done. If teachers have it so easy, why aren’t there major lines of people fighting for each opening?
It seems to me, given the teacher shortages, that what help can be more easily provided, would be administrative. Why do teachers have to do all the grading and entering in gradebooks? Maybe have a shared resource for each subject that can help with grading, and entering stuff? Wouldn't that free the teachers up to spend more time on their lesson plans and meetings where they have to be involved?
+100
Honestly having specific things to advocate for - like shifting grading & grade entering & copying to admin support staff roles & pushing for $ for that - would be concretely useful. I agree that it seems teaching has become impossible lately but the specifics on how to return it to possible are less clear.
I'm wondering if this can even be done by volunteers, although that can be a bit fraught. Maybe parent volunteers can do it for teachers that don't teach their own kids or HS kids can do it as their service hours, especially for middle/elementary grades.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 18:18
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Do you honestly believe anybody’s gonna fire a teacher for not grading in a timely fashion nowadays? This is nothing new and it’s not gonna change.
Nah. It's gotten worse. Even if you're not fired, you should be. You're not doing your job. PERIOD.
Not a teacher, but a parent and this is ridiculous. Would you rather your child not get grades in a timely manner or not learn anything AT ALL as a series of subs rotate in and out?? Teachers, I am sorry for these types of parents you have to put up with.
BULL-----. Part of learning is giving grades and feedback. And if you don't populate the gradebook with enough time for them to fix bad work, you are NOT DOING YOUR JOB.
Please join us in the classroom! You can set the example for all of us. Please show us how it’s done: prepping for multiple classes a day, teaching multiple classes a day, responding to ALL the emails, attending last-minute meetings, covering for your coworkers during your free period, and (of course) getting hundreds of papers graded each week.
I’m looking forward to meeting you! There are 2 empty classrooms on my hall with revolving doors of substitutes because these silly teachers keep quitting. I’m thrilled to know you’ll fill one permanently and I look forward to learning from you.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 18:14
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
To teachers who grade things late ... honest question - do you think that students end up (final year grade) with an accurate grade? Sp maybe that's all that's really important. The grade they receive for the year?
Or do you truly just not give a cr*p at all?
Or do you truly just not give a cr*p at all?
Anonymous
01/12/2024 18:10
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers are busy. They don't have time to grade assignments.
If you don't have enough time and have to choose to do do something, so be it. But choose to not do something else. Something that doesn't so adversely affect the very students you are ostensibly there to help.
I’m a teacher and a different poster. I don’t agree with a lot of what I read on this thread. If teachers haven’t updated in a month, that’s bad. If teachers are putting tons of grades in last minute, that’s bad. If there’s only 1-2 assignments, that’s bad.
But…
It’s hard to prioritize grading. If I’m not planned, I literally can’t teach. I’d end up sitting in the front of the room unprepared, simply staring at my students. Planning takes precedence over grading 100% of the time. It has to.
I have to respond to parents and students within 48 hours. I get a ton of emails. If I don’t respond, the emails compound and parents get angrier. Email takes precedence over grading.
I wish it wasn’t like this, but it is. We don’t get a lot of unstructured time at work. Most of our work actually gets done at home. I also wish that wasn’t the case.
Welcome to the working world, where you have to prioritize. And do work at home, just like most of us. But, if you're not giving the feedback and grades in a timely manner, it doesn't matter what you're teaching in class. The two go hand in hand.
Teachers ARE prioritizing. You just don't like the outcome. I don't work at home every night/weekend and I don't expect teachers to, either. Which is more important to you as a parent - an email response within 48 hours, or grades being up to date?
Anonymous
01/12/2024 18:06
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:How many teacher work days do you all need u should get this done daily or weekly
You need to get back to your English homework.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 17:53
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers are busy. They don't have time to grade assignments.
If you don't have enough time and have to choose to do do something, so be it. But choose to not do something else. Something that doesn't so adversely affect the very students you are ostensibly there to help.
I’m a teacher and a different poster. I don’t agree with a lot of what I read on this thread. If teachers haven’t updated in a month, that’s bad. If teachers are putting tons of grades in last minute, that’s bad. If there’s only 1-2 assignments, that’s bad.
But…
It’s hard to prioritize grading. If I’m not planned, I literally can’t teach. I’d end up sitting in the front of the room unprepared, simply staring at my students. Planning takes precedence over grading 100% of the time. It has to.
I have to respond to parents and students within 48 hours. I get a ton of emails. If I don’t respond, the emails compound and parents get angrier. Email takes precedence over grading.
I wish it wasn’t like this, but it is. We don’t get a lot of unstructured time at work. Most of our work actually gets done at home. I also wish that wasn’t the case.
Welcome to the working world, where you have to prioritize. And do work at home, just like most of us. But, if you're not giving the feedback and grades in a timely manner, it doesn't matter what you're teaching in class. The two go hand in hand.
Welcome to the real world where teachers are leaving the profession in droves - no one is going to force them to work 60-hour weeks anymore.
I absolutely agree. I’m one of the 60+ hour a week teachers. I get graded work back quickly, but I give up almost every night and weekend to do that. Why is that okay?
I hate when people say “other professions have to work outside hours.” No kidding. Yet somehow we respect those other professions while we belittle teachers.
Clearly teachers are done being exploited in this manner. My department is losing 4 more at the end of the year, and the workhorses among us (like me) are slowing down.
I left the classroom at the end of the 2022 school year (after 15 years) and don’t miss all the BS at all.
YUP! The disrespect is unreal.
Oh yea. How dare parents and students expect timely grades and feedback. GTFOH.
We don't miss you either.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 17:52
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Do you honestly believe anybody’s gonna fire a teacher for not grading in a timely fashion nowadays? This is nothing new and it’s not gonna change.
Nah. It's gotten worse. Even if you're not fired, you should be. You're not doing your job. PERIOD.
Not a teacher, but a parent and this is ridiculous. Would you rather your child not get grades in a timely manner or not learn anything AT ALL as a series of subs rotate in and out?? Teachers, I am sorry for these types of parents you have to put up with.
BULL-----. Part of learning is giving grades and feedback. And if you don't populate the gradebook with enough time for them to fix bad work, you are NOT DOING YOUR JOB.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 17:48
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Are you attempting, poorly, to write dereliction of duty?
If you wrote this as a joke, it failed.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 13:38
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Do you honestly believe anybody’s gonna fire a teacher for not grading in a timely fashion nowadays? This is nothing new and it’s not gonna change.
Nah. It's gotten worse. Even if you're not fired, you should be. You're not doing your job. PERIOD.
Not a teacher, but a parent and this is ridiculous. Would you rather your child not get grades in a timely manner or not learn anything AT ALL as a series of subs rotate in and out?? Teachers, I am sorry for these types of parents you have to put up with.
+ a million
Anonymous
01/12/2024 13:37
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
LOL
Anonymous
01/12/2024 13:36
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers are busy. They don't have time to grade assignments.
If you don't have enough time and have to choose to do do something, so be it. But choose to not do something else. Something that doesn't so adversely affect the very students you are ostensibly there to help.
I’m a teacher and a different poster. I don’t agree with a lot of what I read on this thread. If teachers haven’t updated in a month, that’s bad. If teachers are putting tons of grades in last minute, that’s bad. If there’s only 1-2 assignments, that’s bad.
But…
It’s hard to prioritize grading. If I’m not planned, I literally can’t teach. I’d end up sitting in the front of the room unprepared, simply staring at my students. Planning takes precedence over grading 100% of the time. It has to.
I have to respond to parents and students within 48 hours. I get a ton of emails. If I don’t respond, the emails compound and parents get angrier. Email takes precedence over grading.
I wish it wasn’t like this, but it is. We don’t get a lot of unstructured time at work. Most of our work actually gets done at home. I also wish that wasn’t the case.
Welcome to the working world, where you have to prioritize. And do work at home, just like most of us. But, if you're not giving the feedback and grades in a timely manner, it doesn't matter what you're teaching in class. The two go hand in hand.
Welcome to the real world where teachers are leaving the profession in droves - no one is going to force them to work 60-hour weeks anymore.
I absolutely agree. I’m one of the 60+ hour a week teachers. I get graded work back quickly, but I give up almost every night and weekend to do that. Why is that okay?
I hate when people say “other professions have to work outside hours.” No kidding. Yet somehow we respect those other professions while we belittle teachers.
Clearly teachers are done being exploited in this manner. My department is losing 4 more at the end of the year, and the workhorses among us (like me) are slowing down.
I left the classroom at the end of the 2022 school year (after 15 years) and don’t miss all the BS at all.
YUP! The disrespect is unreal.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 13:20
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Do you honestly believe anybody’s gonna fire a teacher for not grading in a timely fashion nowadays? This is nothing new and it’s not gonna change.
Nah. It's gotten worse. Even if you're not fired, you should be. You're not doing your job. PERIOD.
Not a teacher, but a parent and this is ridiculous. Would you rather your child not get grades in a timely manner or not learn anything AT ALL as a series of subs rotate in and out?? Teachers, I am sorry for these types of parents you have to put up with.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 13:12
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Do you honestly believe anybody’s gonna fire a teacher for not grading in a timely fashion nowadays? This is nothing new and it’s not gonna change.
Nah. It's gotten worse. Even if you're not fired, you should be. You're not doing your job. PERIOD.
This has to be a troll, or at least someone who hasn’t bothered to actually follow the thread. (If, by chance, it’s just a snippy mom: you’re welcome to join us and show us how it’s done.)
And no, nobody is getting fired. We can’t fill the vacancies we have, so administrators aren’t going to deal with additional vacancies.
Anonymous
01/12/2024 12:58
Subject: High school Grades entered at last minute that impact 25-50% or more of grade for quarter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers have 150 students to deal with & we really don't care anymore. Flame all you want.
Dereralick of duty u should be fired, grades must be updated weekly
Do you honestly believe anybody’s gonna fire a teacher for not grading in a timely fashion nowadays? This is nothing new and it’s not gonna change.
Nah. It's gotten worse. Even if you're not fired, you should be. You're not doing your job. PERIOD.