Anonymous
10/16/2023 13:15
Subject: Re:B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fine?
Not fine for these schools:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1161972.page
+1 now a days you can't even get into UMD with a B- gpa. I know someone who went to a magnet program in MCPS, high B average, denied at UMD. They went some place else - < T200. Will they be "fine"? Probably because they are a STEM major.
But, getting into a decent college these days is so much harder than even 10 years ago. Where you go does have some impact on how you end up. Of course, there are anecdotal stories of people who went to a < T200 and did fine (myself included, with some luck due to right place and right time), but it's anecdotal. Look at the stats. You don't have to make six figures coming out of college, but in 15 years if you are still struggling financially, then paying $200K for a college degree wasn't really worth it. That is why we have so many people struggling to pay off their loans.
Huh? You couldn't get into Maryland 20 years ago with a B. So much Maryland hate on this board but it's actually a really nice flagship - and ranked similarly to a lot of schools you would never say that about: Rochester, William & Mary, Case and even the DCUM parent favorite, Va Tech.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 13:13
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
HS is actually a great time to track (some) kids into trades. Imagine letting the ones who KNOW they want to enter a trade take welding classes at the local CC instead of forcing chemistry and Brit Lit on them.
The trades need to be re-branded to satisfy the snobs on DCUM. Like plumbers could be called Liquid Resources Recycling Facilitators. And landscapers could be Applied Hedge Modification Engineers.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 12:49
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
HS is actually a great time to track (some) kids into trades. Imagine letting the ones who KNOW they want to enter a trade take welding classes at the local CC instead of forcing chemistry and Brit Lit on them.
There's actually a lot of math in different trade skills, chemistry too some times. The problem is that the kids are learning math in a text book with no hands on application. Maybe they'd excel if they were learning geometry as part of a wood working course.
Did I say math?
Anonymous
10/16/2023 12:45
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Bsian is not a thing
Anonymous
10/16/2023 10:47
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
HS is actually a great time to track (some) kids into trades. Imagine letting the ones who KNOW they want to enter a trade take welding classes at the local CC instead of forcing chemistry and Brit Lit on them.
There's actually a lot of math in different trade skills, chemistry too some times. The problem is that the kids are learning math in a text book with no hands on application. Maybe they'd excel if they were learning geometry as part of a wood working course.
+1 and you don't want an electrician or plumber who doesn't know the math and physics essential for those systems.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 10:14
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
HS is actually a great time to track (some) kids into trades. Imagine letting the ones who KNOW they want to enter a trade take welding classes at the local CC instead of forcing chemistry and Brit Lit on them.
There's actually a lot of math in different trade skills, chemistry too some times. The problem is that the kids are learning math in a text book with no hands on application. Maybe they'd excel if they were learning geometry as part of a wood working course.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 10:13
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
See that's the thing, you're trying to say that kids with bad grades should be in the trades. I would argue that they're not getting A's because they don't want to be studying European History and would prefer to be in different trades. Some kids prefer hands on things and would be making A's in those classes. They aren't lesser. I personally am not mechanically inclined and I would be flunking out of auto body shop, but some people would excel there.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 10:09
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
HS is actually a great time to track (some) kids into trades. Imagine letting the ones who KNOW they want to enter a trade take welding classes at the local CC instead of forcing chemistry and Brit Lit on them.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 10:07
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 10:03
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol. A B student wouldn't get into my run of the mill state school these days. How is that not a problem?
I think it just goes to show how crazy college admissions is these days.
I went to a middling no name state u back in the day. They used to admit almost everyone. Now? goodness.. the acceptance rate is like 60%. It's nuts.
Same, in my experience. I had a weighted 4.0, but my unweighted B average GPA (honors classes + PE, health, drivers ed, etc. weren't counted) wouldn't have gotten me in. Definitely crazy, and yes, it means there's cause for concern. My freshman DD really wants to go to Michigan as her parents did, but...
My kid applied to Umich - probably would've been waitlisted as they reached out to DC, but DC declined to be put on the wait list.
Stats:
magnet program
wgpa 4.95; unwgpa 4.0
1580 SAT
12+ AP exams, all 5s except 2. I lost count on how many AP exams they took, but they got like 60 credits going into college.
so... yea. B students might be "fine", but admissions to colleges that many parents had gone to with a B wgpa is not the same anymore.
I had an A wGPA, for the records. 4.0+, actually. Just couldn't recall the actual number - 4.4-ish?
Which of course makes this all even worse.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 09:55
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol. A B student wouldn't get into my run of the mill state school these days. How is that not a problem?
I think it just goes to show how crazy college admissions is these days.
I went to a middling no name state u back in the day. They used to admit almost everyone. Now? goodness.. the acceptance rate is like 60%. It's nuts.
Same, in my experience. I had a weighted 4.0, but my unweighted B average GPA (honors classes + PE, health, drivers ed, etc. weren't counted) wouldn't have gotten me in. Definitely crazy, and yes, it means there's cause for concern. My freshman DD really wants to go to Michigan as her parents did, but...
My kid applied to Umich - probably would've been waitlisted as they reached out to DC, but DC declined to be put on the wait list.
Stats:
magnet program
wgpa 4.95; unwgpa 4.0
1580 SAT
12+ AP exams, all 5s except 2. I lost count on how many AP exams they took, but they got like 60 credits going into college.
so... yea. B students might be "fine", but admissions to colleges that many parents had gone to with a B wgpa is not the same anymore.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 09:49
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol. A B student wouldn't get into my run of the mill state school these days. How is that not a problem?
I think it just goes to show how crazy college admissions is these days.
I went to a middling no name state u back in the day. They used to admit almost everyone. Now? goodness.. the acceptance rate is like 60%. It's nuts.
Same, in my experience. I had a weighted 4.0, but my unweighted B average GPA (honors classes + PE, health, drivers ed, etc. weren't counted) wouldn't have gotten me in. Definitely crazy, and yes, it means there's cause for concern. My freshman DD really wants to go to Michigan as her parents did, but...
Anonymous
10/16/2023 09:00
Subject: Re:B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Fine?
Not fine for these schools:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1161972.page
+1 now a days you can't even get into UMD with a B- gpa. I know someone who went to a magnet program in MCPS, high B average, denied at UMD. They went some place else - < T200. Will they be "fine"? Probably because they are a STEM major.
But, getting into a decent college these days is so much harder than even 10 years ago. Where you go does have some impact on how you end up. Of course, there are anecdotal stories of people who went to a < T200 and did fine (myself included, with some luck due to right place and right time), but it's anecdotal. Look at the stats. You don't have to make six figures coming out of college, but in 15 years if you are still struggling financially, then paying $200K for a college degree wasn't really worth it. That is why we have so many people struggling to pay off their loans.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 08:45
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.
I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?
Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.
I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.
Anonymous
10/16/2023 08:39
Subject: B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!
I think they are fine for parents who have money to send their kids anywhere. We will be able to afford in state options (VA). Even if you are not aiming for UVA-most of the other schools are all competitive and require an A average. It sucks.