Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:37
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:Man, why can't people get along with everyone else, what's the difference if you are black, white, Indian, middle eastern, asian, hispanic or wherever you are from and just enjoy life.
Thanks pollyanna, I htink you've finally cracked the code. FFS, who really still thinks let alone posts anything like this??
Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:35
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:I didn't know black people were Irish
Black people were enslaved globally. Black people also emigrate.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:22
Subject: Re:Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:This was intentional, she intentionally didn't give her a medal, but why on earth would you do that to a child and expect this child to grow the right way or so called the way you want them to grow.
I have to tell you, I'm heart broken, I'm not black but I am a father, I have children and to be very honest with you all I'm very disappointed in her parents that they allowed this person to do this to there child and get away with it.
If that little girl was my child, I would have jumped over everyone and insisted my child get a medal just like all the other children right then and there.
It is amazing to me to have hate against people without you even encountering or knowing anything about them
One would say is this Christianity, is this what our priests/pastors and churches teach us to do, to hate or to hate with no cause
People all over the world should by now learn to accept each other unconditionally without hate, now if you have a person that hurt you or your family than you have that right to feel which ever way towards that person and it doesn't mean it's right but you have that right towards that person and not the culture or race, but for this child this beautiful flower to get treated like this is really unacceptable.
james younan
623-293-6625
younan6625@gmail.com
Here’s the thing though: If you’re a Black parent, especially if you’re the only Black parent, “jumping all over and insisting…” not only risks getting treated as an extreme reaction by an Angry Black Man / Woman — it happens at the same time the other adults involved may be trying to dismiss what happened as an innocent oversight. You also may worry that calling out racism — even unintentional racism— may bounce back on your kid in even more painful ways then the incident that we just watched.
I personally don’t think it was consciously intentional— and in some ways, that can be worse. Even though the girl was standing directly in front of the woman with the medals, she was ignored as though she wasn’t even there. IMO, being treated as though you don’t exist can feel worse then being treated in ways that at least acknowledge your living, breathing, very visible presence.
tldr: James, you might mean well, but your disappointment in the parents is expecting her parents to be responsible for protecting their child from a situation that they didn’t create, may have no power to change in genuinely healthy ways, and which is painful for them in ways that you have no personal experience with handling.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:16
Subject: Re:Everyone except the black child gets a medal
I saw this same thing happen years ago at a soccer tournament. DD's elementary school aged team had finished 2nd and was getting their medals put on. But you could see as they were approaching the end of the line the tournament staff realized they didn't have enough medals for everyone. So they deliberately skipped over the Asian girl and gave the 2 or 3 remaining medals to the white girls next in the line up.
DD's soccer coach IMMEDIATELY approached the tournament staff and said loudly "Where is Larla's medal?" In the meantime one girl went over to Larla and gave her her medal, saying "Larla scored a goal, she can have my medal." The staff tried to explain quietly the situation but the coach had none of that. She turned to the team and said "They don't have enough medals for everyone, what do you want to do?" And the girls one by one started taking their medals off silently and handing them back. I'll never forget that. (The tournament ended up mailing a box of medals to the team a couple of weeks later.)
DD's soccer coach IMMEDIATELY approached the tournament staff and said loudly "Where is Larla's medal?" In the meantime one girl went over to Larla and gave her her medal, saying "Larla scored a goal, she can have my medal." The staff tried to explain quietly the situation but the coach had none of that. She turned to the team and said "They don't have enough medals for everyone, what do you want to do?" And the girls one by one started taking their medals off silently and handing them back. I'll never forget that. (The tournament ended up mailing a box of medals to the team a couple of weeks later.)
Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:13
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was just at a horse show where this same thing happened.
Each class had 11 participants but only 10 ribbon awards. I felt terrible for the 1 little girl left out of every class. Especially because let's be real, awards after 3rd place are pointless. A few times it did happen where the little girl left without a ribbon was the single POC rider. Equestrian still tends to be a very white sport, too.
Another senior class only had 2 participants so both girls got the huge ribbons and big trophies. To any outsider seeing that on social media, it probably looks like the grand champion is very elite and skilled! Wow! How exciting! When in reality even if she got last place, she still got a big ribbon and a smaller trophy.
Horse shows only place to 10 at Championships usually. Normally it is to 6 at local and rated shows. Are you SURE this actually happened?
And the prize list will say how many ribbons are awarded (to what place). You can’t magically appear ribbons.
Of course, if there are only 2 entries, they will be placed first and second.
if you think only the top 3 placings matter…4th in the GCT gets 76,000 Euro. Not TOO shabby.
I'm not a horse person but it seems pretty crappy regardless of race to have 11 entrants and 10 ribbons. And really bad when race comes into it.
DP. Are you kidding?
SMH
I am not kidding and I am genuinely wondering why you are surprised. I am not advocating giving a ribbon to everyone -narrow it to three people, say- but when giving ribbons out becomes an exercise in singling out a loser v celebrating the winners, which 10/11 does, something is wrong.
Something is wrong with you that you think 10th is a “winner.” There are 10 losers in that situation.
The show organizers don’t know how many people are going to be in a class most of the time. The prize list will say “ribbons to 6th” or whatever.
How many people show up varies. Most horse shows in the hunter/jumper world take adds/scratches up until the class starts. If your class happens to have 7 and your horse stops at a jump or whatever, you deal with being last and not getting a ribbon. It’s life. Maybe you win the next class if you ride better. But it’s a competition. If you can’t deal with being judged, don’t compete.
Sure, it's just a total coincidence that the only kid not to get one just happens to be the only black kid.
It certainly can be. The bottom of a 10+ class usually made what is called a “major fault.” Breaking, wrong lead, wrong diagonal, refusal…
It would be completely unethical for a judge to place a ride with a major fault above one with on a minor fault. It’s in the rules!
Now if the minority kid had a clean ride and was placed below a rider with a major fault, then you have racism. I’ve never seen that. The poster who put this up clearly doesn’t know the first thing about riding so I highly doubt she knows.
Equestrian is really progressive in general — boys and minorities usually get a bit of a bump to encourage them and that is great! We welcome all (except maybe the poor, because it’s an expensive sport for sure). No one is looking to penalize AAs.
I should also mention that it is likely there was some sort of major fault because it’s difficult to put a dozen 1200 lb. flight animals in the same arena and not have at least one take exception to something and misbehave. Speaking as a competitor whose horse had a complete and utter meltdown at a show last week because he had to walk by…a bicycle that appeared menacing to him, despite the fact he was seen a million bicycles. He reared and spun and ran backwards, and then proceeded to go in the arena and pretend like he was virtually unbroke. Because horses….
Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:09
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was just at a horse show where this same thing happened.
Each class had 11 participants but only 10 ribbon awards. I felt terrible for the 1 little girl left out of every class. Especially because let's be real, awards after 3rd place are pointless. A few times it did happen where the little girl left without a ribbon was the single POC rider. Equestrian still tends to be a very white sport, too.
Another senior class only had 2 participants so both girls got the huge ribbons and big trophies. To any outsider seeing that on social media, it probably looks like the grand champion is very elite and skilled! Wow! How exciting! When in reality even if she got last place, she still got a big ribbon and a smaller trophy.
Horse shows only place to 10 at Championships usually. Normally it is to 6 at local and rated shows. Are you SURE this actually happened?
And the prize list will say how many ribbons are awarded (to what place). You can’t magically appear ribbons.
Of course, if there are only 2 entries, they will be placed first and second.
if you think only the top 3 placings matter…4th in the GCT gets 76,000 Euro. Not TOO shabby.
I'm not a horse person but it seems pretty crappy regardless of race to have 11 entrants and 10 ribbons. And really bad when race comes into it.
DP. Are you kidding?
SMH
I am not kidding and I am genuinely wondering why you are surprised. I am not advocating giving a ribbon to everyone -narrow it to three people, say- but when giving ribbons out becomes an exercise in singling out a loser v celebrating the winners, which 10/11 does, something is wrong.
Something is wrong with you that you think 10th is a “winner.” There are 10 losers in that situation.
The show organizers don’t know how many people are going to be in a class most of the time. The prize list will say “ribbons to 6th” or whatever.
How many people show up varies. Most horse shows in the hunter/jumper world take adds/scratches up until the class starts. If your class happens to have 7 and your horse stops at a jump or whatever, you deal with being last and not getting a ribbon. It’s life. Maybe you win the next class if you ride better. But it’s a competition. If you can’t deal with being judged, don’t compete.
Sure, it's just a total coincidence that the only kid not to get one just happens to be the only black kid.
It certainly can be. The bottom of a 10+ class usually made what is called a “major fault.” Breaking, wrong lead, wrong diagonal, refusal…
It would be completely unethical for a judge to place a ride with a major fault above one with on a minor fault. It’s in the rules!
Now if the minority kid had a clean ride and was placed below a rider with a major fault, then you have racism. I’ve never seen that. The poster who put this up clearly doesn’t know the first thing about riding so I highly doubt she knows.
Equestrian is really progressive in general — boys and minorities usually get a bit of a bump to encourage them and that is great! We welcome all (except maybe the poor, because it’s an expensive sport for sure). No one is looking to penalize AAs.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 14:03
Subject: Re:Everyone except the black child gets a medal
The racists always running around screaming RACISM love stories like this! It gets them really FIRED UP!
Anonymous
09/26/2023 13:53
Subject: Re:Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apology issued. Shame it took public posting and six months to get it.
https://www.gymnasticsireland.com/news/statement-of-apology
18 months
The apology was right after - just posted in media 6, 9, 18 months later by various news starved sources.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 13:52
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1706294505509429752?s=46&t=Q84Htn3i2gbPMoOlGS0t6Q
Do better, people.
I have experienced this as an adult and it stings. I cannot imagine hoz this poor child must have felt.
Old OLD news. Was an accident and was corrected as soon as it was noticed. Come on people - do better.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 13:51
Subject: Re:Everyone except the black child gets a medal
This is over 2 ears old. It was IMMEDIATLEY corrected by the staff once they realized. Simone is making something out of nothing.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 13:18
Subject: Re:Everyone except the black child gets a medal
This was intentional, she intentionally didn't give her a medal, but why on earth would you do that to a child and expect this child to grow the right way or so called the way you want them to grow.
I have to tell you, I'm heart broken, I'm not black but I am a father, I have children and to be very honest with you all I'm very disappointed in her parents that they allowed this person to do this to there child and get away with it.
If that little girl was my child, I would have jumped over everyone and insisted my child get a medal just like all the other children right then and there.
It is amazing to me to have hate against people without you even encountering or knowing anything about them
One would say is this Christianity, is this what our priests/pastors and churches teach us to do, to hate or to hate with no cause
People all over the world should by now learn to accept each other unconditionally without hate, now if you have a person that hurt you or your family than you have that right to feel which ever way towards that person and it doesn't mean it's right but you have that right towards that person and not the culture or race, but for this child this beautiful flower to get treated like this is really unacceptable.
james younan
623-293-6625
younan6625@gmail.com
I have to tell you, I'm heart broken, I'm not black but I am a father, I have children and to be very honest with you all I'm very disappointed in her parents that they allowed this person to do this to there child and get away with it.
If that little girl was my child, I would have jumped over everyone and insisted my child get a medal just like all the other children right then and there.
It is amazing to me to have hate against people without you even encountering or knowing anything about them
One would say is this Christianity, is this what our priests/pastors and churches teach us to do, to hate or to hate with no cause
People all over the world should by now learn to accept each other unconditionally without hate, now if you have a person that hurt you or your family than you have that right to feel which ever way towards that person and it doesn't mean it's right but you have that right towards that person and not the culture or race, but for this child this beautiful flower to get treated like this is really unacceptable.
james younan
623-293-6625
younan6625@gmail.com
Anonymous
09/26/2023 12:34
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was just at a horse show where this same thing happened.
Each class had 11 participants but only 10 ribbon awards. I felt terrible for the 1 little girl left out of every class. Especially because let's be real, awards after 3rd place are pointless. A few times it did happen where the little girl left without a ribbon was the single POC rider. Equestrian still tends to be a very white sport, too.
Another senior class only had 2 participants so both girls got the huge ribbons and big trophies. To any outsider seeing that on social media, it probably looks like the grand champion is very elite and skilled! Wow! How exciting! When in reality even if she got last place, she still got a big ribbon and a smaller trophy.
Horse shows only place to 10 at Championships usually. Normally it is to 6 at local and rated shows. Are you SURE this actually happened?
And the prize list will say how many ribbons are awarded (to what place). You can’t magically appear ribbons.
Of course, if there are only 2 entries, they will be placed first and second.
if you think only the top 3 placings matter…4th in the GCT gets 76,000 Euro. Not TOO shabby.
I'm not a horse person but it seems pretty crappy regardless of race to have 11 entrants and 10 ribbons. And really bad when race comes into it.
DP. Are you kidding?
SMH
I am not kidding and I am genuinely wondering why you are surprised. I am not advocating giving a ribbon to everyone -narrow it to three people, say- but when giving ribbons out becomes an exercise in singling out a loser v celebrating the winners, which 10/11 does, something is wrong.
Something is wrong with you that you think 10th is a “winner.” There are 10 losers in that situation.
The show organizers don’t know how many people are going to be in a class most of the time. The prize list will say “ribbons to 6th” or whatever.
How many people show up varies. Most horse shows in the hunter/jumper world take adds/scratches up until the class starts. If your class happens to have 7 and your horse stops at a jump or whatever, you deal with being last and not getting a ribbon. It’s life. Maybe you win the next class if you ride better. But it’s a competition. If you can’t deal with being judged, don’t compete.
I am the person you are quoting. I never said I thought 10th was a "winner," to me that' a totally other issue.
My point is that it's weird to give out 10 ribbons when there are only 11 kids. Like it's weird to invite all the kids except 2 kids in a class to a birthday party. If there are 10 competitors, give the ribbon to 3 or something, or give it to everyone.
This specific example is a horse show with classes. Who do you think your argument is with? The trainer who signed up for a class that already had 10 entrants?
Bizarre.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 12:18
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was just at a horse show where this same thing happened.
Each class had 11 participants but only 10 ribbon awards. I felt terrible for the 1 little girl left out of every class. Especially because let's be real, awards after 3rd place are pointless. A few times it did happen where the little girl left without a ribbon was the single POC rider. Equestrian still tends to be a very white sport, too.
Another senior class only had 2 participants so both girls got the huge ribbons and big trophies. To any outsider seeing that on social media, it probably looks like the grand champion is very elite and skilled! Wow! How exciting! When in reality even if she got last place, she still got a big ribbon and a smaller trophy.
Horse shows only place to 10 at Championships usually. Normally it is to 6 at local and rated shows. Are you SURE this actually happened?
And the prize list will say how many ribbons are awarded (to what place). You can’t magically appear ribbons.
Of course, if there are only 2 entries, they will be placed first and second.
if you think only the top 3 placings matter…4th in the GCT gets 76,000 Euro. Not TOO shabby.
I'm not a horse person but it seems pretty crappy regardless of race to have 11 entrants and 10 ribbons. And really bad when race comes into it.
DP. Are you kidding?
SMH
I am not kidding and I am genuinely wondering why you are surprised. I am not advocating giving a ribbon to everyone -narrow it to three people, say- but when giving ribbons out becomes an exercise in singling out a loser v celebrating the winners, which 10/11 does, something is wrong.
Something is wrong with you that you think 10th is a “winner.” There are 10 losers in that situation.
The show organizers don’t know how many people are going to be in a class most of the time. The prize list will say “ribbons to 6th” or whatever.
How many people show up varies. Most horse shows in the hunter/jumper world take adds/scratches up until the class starts. If your class happens to have 7 and your horse stops at a jump or whatever, you deal with being last and not getting a ribbon. It’s life. Maybe you win the next class if you ride better. But it’s a competition. If you can’t deal with being judged, don’t compete.
I am the person you are quoting. I never said I thought 10th was a "winner," to me that' a totally other issue.
My point is that it's weird to give out 10 ribbons when there are only 11 kids. Like it's weird to invite all the kids except 2 kids in a class to a birthday party. If there are 10 competitors, give the ribbon to 3 or something, or give it to everyone.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 10:54
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
Anonymous wrote:.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was just at a horse show where this same thing happened.
Each class had 11 participants but only 10 ribbon awards. I felt terrible for the 1 little girl left out of every class. Especially because let's be real, awards after 3rd place are pointless. A few times it did happen where the little girl left without a ribbon was the single POC rider. Equestrian still tends to be a very white sport, too.
Another senior class only had 2 participants so both girls got the huge ribbons and big trophies. To any outsider seeing that on social media, it probably looks like the grand champion is very elite and skilled! Wow! How exciting! When in reality even if she got last place, she still got a big ribbon and a smaller trophy.
Horse shows only place to 10 at Championships usually. Normally it is to 6 at local and rated shows. Are you SURE this actually happened?
And the prize list will say how many ribbons are awarded (to what place). You can’t magically appear ribbons.
Of course, if there are only 2 entries, they will be placed first and second.
if you think only the top 3 placings matter…4th in the GCT gets 76,000 Euro. Not TOO shabby.
I'm not a horse person but it seems pretty crappy regardless of race to have 11 entrants and 10 ribbons. And really bad when race comes into it.
DP. Are you kidding?
SMH
I am not kidding and I am genuinely wondering why you are surprised. I am not advocating giving a ribbon to everyone -narrow it to three people, say- but when giving ribbons out becomes an exercise in singling out a loser v celebrating the winners, which 10/11 does, something is wrong.
Something is wrong with you that you think 10th is a “winner.” There are 10 losers in that situation.
The show organizers don’t know how many people are going to be in a class most of the time. The prize list will say “ribbons to 6th” or whatever.
How many people show up varies. Most horse shows in the hunter/jumper world take adds/scratches up until the class starts. If your class happens to have 7 and your horse stops at a jump or whatever, you deal with being last and not getting a ribbon. It’s life. Maybe you win the next class if you ride better. But it’s a competition. If you can’t deal with being judged, don’t compete.
Sure, it's just a total coincidence that the only kid not to get one just happens to be the only black kid.
Anonymous
09/26/2023 10:53
Subject: Everyone except the black child gets a medal
.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was just at a horse show where this same thing happened.
Each class had 11 participants but only 10 ribbon awards. I felt terrible for the 1 little girl left out of every class. Especially because let's be real, awards after 3rd place are pointless. A few times it did happen where the little girl left without a ribbon was the single POC rider. Equestrian still tends to be a very white sport, too.
Another senior class only had 2 participants so both girls got the huge ribbons and big trophies. To any outsider seeing that on social media, it probably looks like the grand champion is very elite and skilled! Wow! How exciting! When in reality even if she got last place, she still got a big ribbon and a smaller trophy.
Horse shows only place to 10 at Championships usually. Normally it is to 6 at local and rated shows. Are you SURE this actually happened?
And the prize list will say how many ribbons are awarded (to what place). You can’t magically appear ribbons.
Of course, if there are only 2 entries, they will be placed first and second.
if you think only the top 3 placings matter…4th in the GCT gets 76,000 Euro. Not TOO shabby.
I'm not a horse person but it seems pretty crappy regardless of race to have 11 entrants and 10 ribbons. And really bad when race comes into it.
DP. Are you kidding?
SMH
I am not kidding and I am genuinely wondering why you are surprised. I am not advocating giving a ribbon to everyone -narrow it to three people, say- but when giving ribbons out becomes an exercise in singling out a loser v celebrating the winners, which 10/11 does, something is wrong.
Something is wrong with you that you think 10th is a “winner.” There are 10 losers in that situation.
The show organizers don’t know how many people are going to be in a class most of the time. The prize list will say “ribbons to 6th” or whatever.
How many people show up varies. Most horse shows in the hunter/jumper world take adds/scratches up until the class starts. If your class happens to have 7 and your horse stops at a jump or whatever, you deal with being last and not getting a ribbon. It’s life. Maybe you win the next class if you ride better. But it’s a competition. If you can’t deal with being judged, don’t compete.