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Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

That’s the rumor. No one can say because zero data is released about them.

The "non-boston start" kids do not really have lower stats. Everyone admitted has high stats. Majority of those kids are Full pay because the programs are expensive and you cannot use federal aid for them. last year Nu Bound in London was over $85K and NO FOOD was included in that price. So you are looking at $90K+ easily. My kid was admitted, their stats were inline with the CDS

I do seem to recall that, last year, some high-stats kids were admitted to NEU but not for Boston. The full pay angle you suggest makes sense.

However, if NEU is admitting high-stats full pay kids to not-Boston, it is easy to imagine that the yield would be abysmal. My (high stats full pay NMSF) kid might prefer NEU to, say, BU, but not enough to attend a not-Boston NEU campus for any period of time and would view such an acceptance as a rejection. Those anecdotes from the last admission season really made me question what the heck NEU is doing.

(As a parent of a kid currently in the application process, I am neither a booster nor a basher. I just want accurate information.)

The yield is typically small for those programs. Because yes, those high stats kids likely have several other options that are excellent with fall starts. My own kid had 5 other choices at "higher ranked schools" with fall starts on campus to choose from.
As it turns out, my kid had a rough first month adjusting to school (introverted, knew nobody, anxiety kicked into high gear), so had they taken NEU and gone to London, they likely would have had to withdraw---they knew they were not enough of an extrovert and would need time to adjust and doing so in a foreign country would not work well for them. They adjusted within one month and are excelling at their school of choice, but knew the NUBOund was not for them at all

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Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

That’s the rumor. No one can say because zero data is released about them.

The "non-boston start" kids do not really have lower stats. Everyone admitted has high stats. Majority of those kids are Full pay because the programs are expensive and you cannot use federal aid for them. last year Nu Bound in London was over $85K and NO FOOD was included in that price. So you are looking at $90K+ easily. My kid was admitted, their stats were inline with the CDS

Did your kid actually attend? Anecdote is not the same as data. If the stats were the same, NE would release them. Emory provides all stats for students who start at their Oxford campus.

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Anonymous wrote:With the US News rankings out and northeastern taking a big hit in the ranks, I was absolutely floored when I saw the stats that this school boasts.

An acceptance rate of 7% and sat averages on par with northwestern and higher than a couple of the ivies, can anyone explain without getting too into the weeds why this school is ranked so low but has extremely high levels of selectivity?

How is this school generally perceived in the DC area?

I am sure Northeastern is an OK school with a good coop program but they definitely gamed the system to move up the rankings. Glad to see they are now more where they belong because as at least for tech, I do not believe they are that prestigious.

They have no essays so it's a popular school to apply to. Also they give out fee waivers. They admit lower stats students who they guess are likely to attend to satellite campus and then do not count their statistics. They accept large numbers of kids on ED to also improve their yield. They tried to woo other colleges to improve their peer ranking. In 2023 they admitted kids for 3-4 years at satellite campus then completed changed course mid-cycle when people complained. If you want you kid going to a school like this, go for it.

This school is very controversial on here since any time there is a thread there is a person that insists all the negative comments come from one person, when in reality there are many people with less than positive view of the school.

+1000

The campus is overcrowded due to over enrollment for fall 2022 and then the 2023 switcheroo when parents complained. It is increasingly difficult to get coops because of this, it also means the kids register for classes if they don't have a coop so it is also getting more challenging to get into the courses your kids need to stay on track. They are not a small school, they are a mid size school with issues you see at larger schools, as they grow without infrastructure in place for housing, dining, academics, etc. If you are happy with all of that, go for it.

It's still much better than big state schools. My CS kid had little issue with registration for one semester, but it has been overall fine. The school deals with the issues very well.

My kid was crammed into a double room with two other kids in the first semester, but it was pretty good for the second and third years.
Now in a very nice air-conditioned single room. On-campus housing is guaranteed for four years.

Overall, it's still much better than large state schools.

obviously much better than "large state schools", but definately has many more issues you don't typically see at smaller private schools.

It's a good school, but kids applying should be aware of the issues as they grow without having put infrastructure in place for the huge increases. I also have issues with the fact they set programs and then change to accommodate parents wishes when it's obvious they will loose students if they don't. That added at least 1K more students to campus this fall that were not intended to ever come or come for more than 1 year at year 4/5.

Similarly, when they ask "are you willing to study abroad first year" make that a meaningful question. If a kid says "no", then don't offer them anything but on Boston campus admission. Make the question multi faceted:
A) Do NOT want to study abroad freshman year at all
B) Prefer not to study abroad freshman year, but would be open as a last resort/whatever you want to word it
C) Happy to study abroad freshman year

Then do not offer any admissions except Boston to someone who answers A. Because when a kid answers that and then gets offer for a year in London or elsewhere, it's almost as if the school didn't read their application and doesn't care about them. And no, it didn't change my kid's mind, they immediately moved it to the 'well I wasn't rejected but sure as hell not doing this" pile

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Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

That’s the rumor. No one can say because zero data is released about them.

The "non-boston start" kids do not really have lower stats. Everyone admitted has high stats. Majority of those kids are Full pay because the programs are expensive and you cannot use federal aid for them. last year Nu Bound in London was over $85K and NO FOOD was included in that price. So you are looking at $90K+ easily. My kid was admitted, their stats were inline with the CDS

I do seem to recall that, last year, some high-stats kids were admitted to NEU but not for Boston. The full pay angle you suggest makes sense.

However, if NEU is admitting high-stats full pay kids to not-Boston, it is easy to imagine that the yield would be abysmal. My (high stats full pay NMSF) kid might prefer NEU to, say, BU, but not enough to attend a not-Boston NEU campus for any period of time and would view such an acceptance as a rejection. Those anecdotes from the last admission season really made me question what the heck NEU is doing.

(As a parent of a kid currently in the application process, I am neither a booster nor a basher. I just want accurate information.)

Anonymous wrote:The good news is that Boston University holds the bottom slot in the area given they are associated with intellectual giants like AOC and Kendi.

What does that make Penn then?

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Anonymous wrote:With the US News rankings out and northeastern taking a big hit in the ranks, I was absolutely floored when I saw the stats that this school boasts.

An acceptance rate of 7% and sat averages on par with northwestern and higher than a couple of the ivies, can anyone explain without getting too into the weeds why this school is ranked so low but has extremely high levels of selectivity?

How is this school generally perceived in the DC area?

I am sure Northeastern is an OK school with a good coop program but they definitely gamed the system to move up the rankings. Glad to see they are now more where they belong because as at least for tech, I do not believe they are that prestigious.

They have no essays so it's a popular school to apply to. Also they give out fee waivers. They admit lower stats students who they guess are likely to attend to satellite campus and then do not count their statistics. They accept large numbers of kids on ED to also improve their yield. They tried to woo other colleges to improve their peer ranking. In 2023 they admitted kids for 3-4 years at satellite campus then completed changed course mid-cycle when people complained. If you want you kid going to a school like this, go for it.

This school is very controversial on here since any time there is a thread there is a person that insists all the negative comments come from one person, when in reality there are many people with less than positive view of the school.

+1000

The campus is overcrowded due to over enrollment for fall 2022 and then the 2023 switcheroo when parents complained. It is increasingly difficult to get coops because of this, it also means the kids register for classes if they don't have a coop so it is also getting more challenging to get into the courses your kids need to stay on track. They are not a small school, they are a mid size school with issues you see at larger schools, as they grow without infrastructure in place for housing, dining, academics, etc. If you are happy with all of that, go for it.

It's still much better than big state schools. My CS kid had little issue with registration for one semester, but it has been overall fine. The school deals with the issues very well.

My kid was crammed into a double room with two other kids in the first semester, but it was pretty good for the second and third years.
Now in a very nice air-conditioned single room. On-campus housing is guaranteed for four years.

Overall, it's still much better than large state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

That’s the rumor. No one can say because zero data is released about them.

The "non-boston start" kids do not really have lower stats. Everyone admitted has high stats. Majority of those kids are Full pay because the programs are expensive and you cannot use federal aid for them. last year Nu Bound in London was over $85K and NO FOOD was included in that price. So you are looking at $90K+ easily. My kid was admitted, their stats were inline with the CDS

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Anonymous wrote:With the US News rankings out and northeastern taking a big hit in the ranks, I was absolutely floored when I saw the stats that this school boasts.

An acceptance rate of 7% and sat averages on par with northwestern and higher than a couple of the ivies, can anyone explain without getting too into the weeds why this school is ranked so low but has extremely high levels of selectivity?

How is this school generally perceived in the DC area?

I am sure Northeastern is an OK school with a good coop program but they definitely gamed the system to move up the rankings. Glad to see they are now more where they belong because as at least for tech, I do not believe they are that prestigious.

They have no essays so it's a popular school to apply to. Also they give out fee waivers. They admit lower stats students who they guess are likely to attend to satellite campus and then do not count their statistics. They accept large numbers of kids on ED to also improve their yield. They tried to woo other colleges to improve their peer ranking. In 2023 they admitted kids for 3-4 years at satellite campus then completed changed course mid-cycle when people complained. If you want you kid going to a school like this, go for it.

This school is very controversial on here since any time there is a thread there is a person that insists all the negative comments come from one person, when in reality there are many people with less than positive view of the school.

+1000

The campus is overcrowded due to over enrollment for fall 2022 and then the 2023 switcheroo when parents complained. It is increasingly difficult to get coops because of this, it also means the kids register for classes if they don't have a coop so it is also getting more challenging to get into the courses your kids need to stay on track. They are not a small school, they are a mid size school with issues you see at larger schools, as they grow without infrastructure in place for housing, dining, academics, etc. If you are happy with all of that, go for it.

Anonymous wrote:Many private schools hit hard including WashU, NYU, Tufts, Wake Forest, URochester, Tulane, etc. I don't see people will switch to big state schools because of the rankings. 2nd tier UCs, Texas, Ohio, etc. Nope.

Looking at the private schools, three schools ahead of NEU - Lehigh, URochester, and Wake Forest won't surpass NEU in popularity anytime soon. Next three are the Boston peer schools - BU, BC, Tufts. After that NYU nd T25ish schools.
Nothing much has changed for Northeastern.

Rochester is a much better school than NEU, but yes they won't surpass them because "Boston vs Rochester" for location.

And no, most people will not switch from smaller private schools to huge state schools, as nothing has changed, those smaller schools are "better schools" IMO, I don't care about graduation rate for first gen/Pell grant students. I hope any school my kid attends would work hard to ensure those kids graduate, but I recognize a lot of that is outside factors that the university cannot do anything about. I care that my kid has smaller class sizes, qualified professors, smaller recitation/discussion sections, and the ability to ACTUALLY do research in the amazing facilities, so while the huge state schools might have those facilities, most undergrads do not get to do meaningful research for 2-3 years in them, they are reserved for grad students and a few honors kids.

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Anonymous wrote:With the US News rankings out and northeastern taking a big hit in the ranks, I was absolutely floored when I saw the stats that this school boasts.

An acceptance rate of 7% and sat averages on par with northwestern and higher than a couple of the ivies, can anyone explain without getting too into the weeds why this school is ranked so low but has extremely high levels of selectivity?

How is this school generally perceived in the DC area?

That isn’t the true acceptance rate, it’s close to 25 percent over all programs/locations and well over 30 percent ED.

THIS^^^. They do NOT include their NUIn, NUBound, NU London, NU Oakland, etc programs in this. So they offer a lot of spots in those other programs in hopes of getting more students---the yield for these are much lower, as many people simply want to start their freshman year on campus not at a remote site.

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Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

Even if that's true, you get the idea from the Boston direct admits, top-notch students, and top-notch outcomes.
If Harvard offered one-semester or one-year programs somewhere, what do you think the credentials would be?
Maybe a little lower, but not much.

Many other schools have similar programs.
NEU just does it better. It makes sense as the school has some students come in and out for COOP programs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

Obviously

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

That’s the rumor. No one can say because zero data is released about them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

Do the kids that start in other locations--internationally or outside of Boston have lower credentials ? Is that why they aren't included in the stats?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:speaking of happiness, retention rate and graduation rate would be good measures.

For retention rate, Northeastern is #3 among national universities
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

For graduation rate, Northeastern is #29 among national universities
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/GraduationRate6Year/

It's 21st century, age of data and information.
Hope you parents and students make good informed decisions.
Good luck.

Except the NE data is always skewed because they report only for kids who started in Boston freshman year. The data they report accounts for less than half the kids in a graduating class

I actually have nothing against the school but the posters who continue to tout the incomplete data after being told why it is misleading te super annoying.

How can retention and graduation rates be skewed??
For example, UC Berkeley accepts 30% of its incoming students form transfers, many of them from community colleges.
Are they not included in the graduation rate?

Not sure, but NE doesn’t report them as transfers either, that is a separate section of the common data set. Technically they aren’t transfers as they are in the NE system from day one, just not on the Boston campus.