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Anonymous wrote:Among by dd’s friends, kids with top stats that were shut out wound up at Georgetown and Boston College. Another with incredible extracurriculars (won the school service award) and great grades shut out everywhere but Maryland.

So much of college admissions to the top colleges appear to be a lottery.

It’s a lottery because the kids are all the same.

UMC, suburban, 1450+, 3.8+, classical instruments (piano/violin NEVER accordion or blaster beam), Key Club, Shadow a Doctor (parent or parents friend), STEM (NEVER classics or poetry or basket weaving), essay is about dead grandma/dog or trip abroad opened my eyes, Model UN (France, NEVER Papua New Guinea) there are only four future professions: law, medicine, engineering or finance.

You’re the AO at an T25 and you get 25k applications that look like this-100 alone from TJ.

Now what?

We need a ton of smart kids to go into law, medicine, engineering and finance. It’s disgusting that just because your grandpa happened to be born in China that you don’t have exactly the same chance to study these subjects as a kid whose ancestors were from a different part of the globe.

Are you really trying to suggest that kids of Chinese descent don't get into law, med, egr and finance programs at top schools? Have you seen the class composition of these schools? Stop perpetuating a fallacy. Asian kids are very well represented at top schools, especially for these areas.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure numerous posters will comment that my kid wasn't top stats, typical DMV, etc but anyway...
White male from NOVA public. CS (big surprise!)
3.98/4.5, 9 APs, 3 Dual E;
1560, NMSF;
Varsity athlete, leadership in two CS related clubs (started one);
Self taught musician;
Intern (CS related) at small non profit;
PT job
Rejected H and Penn
WL UVA and NEU

Where was he accepted? That would help some of us...

With merit: BU, Lehigh, CWRU, UMD, Ohio St., UMN
No merit: WM, Pitt

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure numerous posters will comment that my kid wasn't top stats, typical DMV, etc but anyway...
White male from NOVA public. CS (big surprise!)
3.98/4.5, 9 APs, 3 Dual E;
1560, NMSF;
Varsity athlete, leadership in two CS related clubs (started one);
Self taught musician;
Intern (CS related) at small non profit;
PT job
Rejected H and Penn
WL UVA and NEU

Where was he accepted? That would help some of us...

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Anonymous wrote:Among by dd’s friends, kids with top stats that were shut out wound up at Georgetown and Boston College. Another with incredible extracurriculars (won the school service award) and great grades shut out everywhere but Maryland.

So much of college admissions to the top colleges appear to be a lottery.

It’s a lottery because the kids are all the same.

UMC, suburban, 1450+, 3.8+, classical instruments (piano/violin NEVER accordion or blaster beam), Key Club, Shadow a Doctor (parent or parents friend), STEM (NEVER classics or poetry or basket weaving), essay is about dead grandma/dog or trip abroad opened my eyes, Model UN (France, NEVER Papua New Guinea) there are only four future professions: law, medicine, engineering or finance.

You’re the AO at an T25 and you get 25k applications that look like this-100 alone from TJ.

Now what?

We need a ton of smart kids to go into law, medicine, engineering and finance. It’s disgusting that just because your grandpa happened to be born in China that you don’t have exactly the same chance to study these subjects as a kid whose ancestors were from a different part of the globe.

In what world is rejection from a T25 college mean they won’t have the same chance to study these subjects. These kids will be gladly accepted at many excellent schools and get a great education and an opportunity at top graduate programs. The entitlement and histrionics is disproportionate to the facts.

- mom of a white UMC young woman with excellent grades, test scores (SAT and AP) and ECs who was rejected/WL from her top choices and is a happy first year undergrad at an excellent SLAC (30s level) . She will be fine, thrive even, as will many other kids of all races and genders that did not get into their preferred schools.

I'm sure numerous posters will comment that my kid wasn't top stats, typical DMV, etc but anyway...
White male from NOVA public. CS (big surprise!)
3.98/4.5, 9 APs, 3 Dual E;
1560, NMSF;
Varsity athlete, leadership in two CS related clubs (started one);
Self taught musician;
Intern (CS related) at small non profit;
PT job
Rejected H and Penn
WL UVA and NEU

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Anonymous wrote:My high stats nephew applying for Chemistry (white male) with a 3.9 UW GPA and 35 ACT along with some great ECs (including paid research) did not get into a single UC they applied to (7 of them).

This is why people should want schools to require test scores. Your nephew looked like every other applicant because the UCs never saw the 35 ACT. That score sets him apart from the all the other kids with 3.9 GPAs (and there are a lot of them). Oh well.

If the school doesn’t value it and they clearly don’t why should they require it. Just because you think it’s valuable?

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Anonymous wrote:My high stats nephew applying for Chemistry (white male) with a 3.9 UW GPA and 35 ACT along with some great ECs (including paid research) did not get into a single UC they applied to (7 of them).

This is why people should want schools to require test scores. Your nephew looked like every other applicant because the UCs never saw the 35 ACT. That score sets him apart from the all the other kids with 3.9 GPAs (and there are a lot of them). Oh well.

Wrong. 35 ACT did not help my kid one bit.

36 ACT didn't help mine either....

Anonymous wrote:My white female high stats kid (1580 SATS) didn't get into any privates or even some publics -Michigan, Berkeley. Is in at good and for her field great public with some merit. She'll be happier. Engineering.

I'm so glad that your daughter found a good place for her. Would love to hear where she ended up.

Anonymous wrote:If your DC had top stats and great ECs last year, but had a lot of rejections, what were the schools they did get into?

This is from my Class of '22 son (i.e. college class of '26): He graduated with a full IB diploma, and a 3.98 GPA/4.53 wGPA/35 ACT. He had a very solid EC profile (incl. Eagle Scout, 2-time captain of HS and club teams), and I expect very good recommendations. He ultimately was accepted at Northeastern (excellent Honors Scholarship), Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, and JMU (did not get into UVa, in-state). He was interested in Business/Economics and was rejected at a bunch of very tough reaches.

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Anonymous wrote:HS Teacher

My top students with multiple waitlists/rejections were all asian males. They ended up at (good) state schools but by and large were rejected by privates.

raise hand.. that was my CS Asian male. Very high stats. Now at a state flagship with merit.

This country revels in discrimination against Asians.

Every top school in this country is packed to the gills with Asian students.

Asians are waaayyy over represented at the best schools and STEM programs. The problem is a numbers one: there are enough Asians here and abroad who want to study at America’s top schools and STEM departments to fill every seat. American schools have a duty beyond just educating Asians.

+1

Waaaiit - people are complaining that the new USNWR ranking doesn't take into account academic related achievements enough but here you are saying that "Asians are over represented" (whatever that means since the comparison is not and should not be with the whole US population but the applicant pool), even though those "over represented Asians" have the highest academic achievement?

Asian Americans are screwed whichever way you look at it.

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My top students with multiple waitlists/rejections were all asian males. They ended up at (good) state schools but by and large were rejected by privates.

raise hand.. that was my CS Asian male. Very high stats. Now at a state flagship with merit.

This country revels in discrimination against Asians.

Every top school in this country is packed to the gills with Asian students.

Asians are waaayyy over represented at the best schools and STEM programs. The problem is a numbers one: there are enough Asians here and abroad who want to study at America’s top schools and STEM departments to fill every seat. American schools have a duty beyond just educating Asians.

Can we just stop accepting people from abroad?

Yes!! B

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Anonymous wrote:My high stats nephew applying for Chemistry (white male) with a 3.9 UW GPA and 35 ACT along with some great ECs (including paid research) did not get into a single UC they applied to (7 of them).

This is why people should want schools to require test scores. Your nephew looked like every other applicant because the UCs never saw the 35 ACT. That score sets him apart from the all the other kids with 3.9 GPAs (and there are a lot of them). Oh well.

Wrong. 35 ACT did not help my kid one bit.

And it definitely didn't hurt. Your kid was rejected for other reasons. 35 is outstanding and should alway be submitted

There are just tons of high stats kids right now. People seem to be denial on this board until their kid goes through the process.

Exactly. I was there too, why I am trying to pay it forward.

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Anonymous wrote:HS Teacher

My top students with multiple waitlists/rejections were all asian males. They ended up at (good) state schools but by and large were rejected by privates.

raise hand.. that was my CS Asian male. Very high stats. Now at a state flagship with merit.

This country revels in discrimination against Asians.

Every top school in this country is packed to the gills with Asian students.

Asians are waaayyy over represented at the best schools and STEM programs. The problem is a numbers one: there are enough Asians here and abroad who want to study at America’s top schools and STEM departments to fill every seat. American schools have a duty beyond just educating Asians.

Can we just stop accepting people from abroad?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My high stats nephew applying for Chemistry (white male) with a 3.9 UW GPA and 35 ACT along with some great ECs (including paid research) did not get into a single UC they applied to (7 of them).

This is why people should want schools to require test scores. Your nephew looked like every other applicant because the UCs never saw the 35 ACT. That score sets him apart from the all the other kids with 3.9 GPAs (and there are a lot of them). Oh well.

Wrong. 35 ACT did not help my kid one bit.

And it definitely didn't hurt. Your kid was rejected for other reasons. 35 is outstanding and should alway be submitted

There are just tons of high stats kids right now. People seem to be denial on this board until their kid goes through the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Among by dd’s friends, kids with top stats that were shut out wound up at Georgetown and Boston College. Another with incredible extracurriculars (won the school service award) and great grades shut out everywhere but Maryland.

So much of college admissions to the top colleges appear to be a lottery.

It’s a lottery because the kids are all the same.

UMC, suburban, 1450+, 3.8+, classical instruments (piano/violin NEVER accordion or blaster beam), Key Club, Shadow a Doctor (parent or parents friend), STEM (NEVER classics or poetry or basket weaving), essay is about dead grandma/dog or trip abroad opened my eyes, Model UN (France, NEVER Papua New Guinea) there are only four future professions: law, medicine, engineering or finance.

You’re the AO at an T25 and you get 25k applications that look like this-100 alone from TJ.

Now what?

We need a ton of smart kids to go into law, medicine, engineering and finance. It’s disgusting that just because your grandpa happened to be born in China that you don’t have exactly the same chance to study these subjects as a kid whose ancestors were from a different part of the globe.