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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue.

I'm the PP. Fine, your MIL canceled her Tesla. I would not have bought on in the first place, but that's because of the high subsidies to Musk at the expense of the tax payer.

BTW, I was at a Wawa in Manassas today with a row of five Tesla chargers at the station. Not a single one being used.

But that was a great government mandate with tax payer subsidies to install. /sarcasm

We couldn't have spent that money better on other things, huh? I'm sure Tesla and the employees enjoy the benefits of those corporate subsidies by force of government, but I don't.

Superchargers in cities tend to be low usage.... people charge at home and only use Superchargers--- which are hard on a battery-- while traveling or in a pinch. I am not sure those 5 chargers can really be used to measure demand for teslas.

The point is, these are deployed all over the country. What could the government have spent that money on instead of forking it over to Tesla to buy charging stations?

Why is the government even involved in buying charging stations? Let Tesla, a private company, roll the charging stations out on their own dime to create demand for their cars. A tax payer doesn't need to pay for this. This is not a legitimate function of government.

In fact, those government funds were not spent on something else because of this spending to subsidize Tesla. How is that a good decision?

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Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

He's not.

Is the ADL is going after advertisers as he says?

We would have to see evidence. I don't think he has made that info public just saying x amount of advertising lost.

So what if they are? Right wingers are calling for boycotts of a hundred businesses. It’s legal. Asking companies to stop advertising on an offensive platform is legal. Everyone including you knows it’s all true. Elon is slobbering all over neo-Nazis for their approval.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

He's not.

Is the ADL is going after advertisers as he says?

We would have to see evidence. I don't think he has made that info public just saying x amount of advertising lost.

Anonymous wrote:Elon is an anti-semite.

End of story.

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Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

And ADL is free to criticize him for allowing it. And advertisers are free to shun X because he allows it. But Elon is not allowed to sue ADL or the advertisers, so the only one in the wrong here is Elon.

Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

He's not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue.

I'm the PP. Fine, your MIL canceled her Tesla. I would not have bought on in the first place, but that's because of the high subsidies to Musk at the expense of the tax payer.

BTW, I was at a Wawa in Manassas today with a row of five Tesla chargers at the station. Not a single one being used.

But that was a great government mandate with tax payer subsidies to install. /sarcasm

We couldn't have spent that money better on other things, huh? I'm sure Tesla and the employees enjoy the benefits of those corporate subsidies by force of government, but I don't.

Superchargers in cities tend to be low usage.... people charge at home and only use Superchargers--- which are hard on a battery-- while traveling or in a pinch. I am not sure those 5 chargers can really be used to measure demand for teslas.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

He's not.

Anonymous wrote:Most hate speech is constitutionally protected. It’s also constitutionally protected speech to condemn hate speech. I’m no Elon stan but he is right in this case.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Musk can't keep his dumb mouth shut.

My Jewish MIL literally just canceled her Tesla order today. It was going to be her first EV. But she's been a financial supporter of the ADL for 40+ years and she's not going to support a dude who attacks the ADL and blames them for the failure of his company.

The problem with Elon is that he arrogantly thinks people are stupid and if they just listened to him they would come around to his "correct" understanding of any particular issue.

I'm the PP. Fine, your MIL canceled her Tesla. I would not have bought on in the first place, but that's because of the high subsidies to Musk at the expense of the tax payer.

BTW, I was at a Wawa in Manassas today with a row of five Tesla chargers at the station. Not a single one being used.

But that was a great government mandate with tax payer subsidies to install. /sarcasm

We couldn't have spent that money better on other things, huh? I'm sure Tesla and the employees enjoy the benefits of those corporate subsidies by force of government, but I don't.

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Anonymous wrote:"This is quite an extraordinary situation and shows how the Overton window has slide on the topic of anti-Semitism. If you will remember, early in the Musk era of Twitter, Kanye West was suspended from Twitter because of anti-Semitism. West was recently allowed back on the platform. In the meantime, Musk has been platforming and promoting Nazis. Now he is arguably engaging in anti-Semitism himself, scapegoating Jews for his own failures. "

Sysadmin - explain this.

Musk is not "scapegoating" Jews at all. Free speech to controlled speech is a whole spectrum with infinite points on it, and people can be in any camp from locking down and deleting accounts to taking the view that the provider is not responsible for the content of posters.

Musk has not been promoting Nazis. Do you even know what a Nazi is? Do we have anyone in this country sending anyone to camps to be exterminated? I take great offense at you cheapening the events of the mid-1930's to the mid-1940's to underscore political differences.

Furthermore, I would like to get your view on CNN firing Jeffrey Toobin and then rehiring him eight months later. Does that mean CNN is engaging in sexual-harassment themselves?

My final question you, Sysadmin: Why did you feel it necessary to open this can of worms? The whole premise is offensive.

+100

It is quite something how progressives are so eager to shut down speech.
Traditional liberals used to be champions of free speech. Those days are long gone.

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Back then, the ADL adhered to the values America was founded upon. It existed to protect Jews from attacks and did so within the confines of free speech values, albeit with a liberal slant. I know because after my encounter with ADL in 1987, I volunteered as an ADL legal intern. It was fun, and I did believe I was doing good. Everyone believed that. And it was true.

The ADL taught me that nastygrams from Jew haters were just the price we pay for liberty, worthy of being filed and forgotten. This is not Weimar Germany; it is America. We have a First Amendment, we have civil rights, we have a working democracy. That is part of the good we have done.

But the ADL no longer believes this. It has become part of a great online censorship machine that is being exposed day after day as an anti-free speech enterprise.

The national ADL, like the ACLU, the NAACP, and other formerly "apolitical" civil rights groups, is now merely a tax-exempt cadre of the national Democratic Party. Anyone paying any kind of attention knows this. And as the Democratic Party has moved further into the fringes of Left-wing lunacy, the ADL has moved with it—whether a Jewish "antidefamation" issue is at stake or not. The party requires it.

So it should come as no surprise that "X" (Twitter) CEO Elon Musk is now claiming the ADL has engaged in relentless efforts to delegitimize X, falsely smearing the platform and its owner for providing an antisemitic haven for "hate speech." Per Musk, the ADL has gone so far as to lean on advertisers not to do business there. No shrinking violet himself, Musk has gone as far as threatening to sue the ADL for defamation. Naturally, Musk's objections to being defamed "just prove" that Musk "really is" an antisemite.

My own disdain for the formerly righteous ADL reached a peak a few years ago, when I learned just how far its commitment to leftist dogma went. I encountered it as part of my work as a lawyer who does both defamation and free speech litigation. Trying to get my arms around the ways smear groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center go about deplatforming disfavored personalities, I kept bumping into the same rogue's gallery, and ADL was, far more often than not, part of the pro-censorship coalition.