Anonymous
09/07/2023 18:29
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Where are the SOL scores for Justice High School?
English (pass advanced and pass rate, respectively): 17.45, 72.9
Math: 3.92, 79.37
Sci: 4.24, 53.47
You can create your own table here with different years, demographics, etc.:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306
Anonymous
09/07/2023 17:46
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But all things being equal, white people do have privilege over non-whites.
The objectionable post was criticizing the privilege of white born in the US people - as if being an American in America is something to be scorned.
SMH
It wasn’t “criticizing” that at all. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Lol
What do you think "privilege" means in this context? It ain't a compliment.
DP: It's a factual statement. Not a criticism nor a compliment.
Anonymous
09/07/2023 17:31
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is infuriating OP. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so hard for them. I can't help but think the results dismal and they want time to pass so people forget about it.
These scores absolutely matter. They are an indicator of the competency of the school administration, a measure of the academic level the students are at, and indicator of teacher strength. These are all important factors if one is moving to FCPS to see which are school is the best for their kid.
These scores do not matter. There are kids who don’t speak English being forced to take these tests. It only matters how your kid does.
Exactly.
And there are ways to know which schools are best to be avoided.
Simple.
LOL not really. FCPS is FCPS...you know how I know. I've taught all over the county in the last 20 years not much difference from Vienna schools compared to Chantilly schools.
Anonymous
09/07/2023 17:29
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SOLs are not hard enough to use as a proof of TJ’s lack of decline.
What do you mean? I'm not a TJ booster but tell me that this is not meaningful:
Ranking by PASS ADVANCED RATE
Math
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 53.13
2 Langley High 26.05
3 Madison High 24.53
4 Chantilly High 23.66
5 Woodson High 21.05
6 Lake Braddock Secondary 19.74
7 McLean High 18.58
8 Oakton High 17.01
9 Centreville High 14.04
10 Robinson Secondary 13.58
English
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 93.62
2 Langley High 58.82
3 Madison High 51.15
4 Oakton High 50.83
5 McLean High 50.78
6 Woodson High 47.51
7 West Springfield High 44.84
8 Chantilly High 44.21
9 Marshall High 43.4
10 South Lakes High 38.7
Science
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 57.63 Science
2 Marshall High 31.36
3 Oakton High 30.01
4 Langley High 29.1
5 Woodson High 27.55
6 McLean High 25.67
7 West Springfield High 24.19
8 Chantilly High 22.96
9 Centreville High 17.46
10 Madison High 16.45
And ranking by PASS RATE
Math
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 99.04
2 Woodson High 92.63
3 Langley High 92.53
4 West Springfield High 92.34
5 Madison High 91.51
6 Oakton High 90.53
7 Marshall High 89.92
8 McLean High 87.17
9 Robinson Secondary 86.03
10 Lake Braddock Secondary 85.52
English
1 Langley High 98.82
2 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 98.41
3 West Springfield High 96.56
4 Woodson High 95.83
5 McLean High 95.67
6 Marshall High 95.4
7 Oakton High 94.44
8 Madison High 93.7
9 Centreville High 93.29
10 Chantilly High 92.85
Science
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 100
2 Langley High 95.26
3 Woodson High 90.96
4 Oakton High 90.69
5 West Springfield High 90.48
6 McLean High 86.88
7 Marshall High 85.55
8 Chantilly High 85.46
9 Madison High 85.37
10 Robinson Secondary 84.5
Interesting to see the Pass Advanced Rate results for TJ from before Covid:
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology English:Reading 59.14
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology English:Writing 96.61
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology History and Social Science 76.32
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology Mathematics 91.35
2018-2019 - Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology Science 89.83
Anonymous
09/07/2023 17:28
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Where are the SOL scores for Justice High School?
Anonymous
09/07/2023 16:05
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:SOLs are not hard enough to use as a proof of TJ’s lack of decline.
What do you mean? I'm not a TJ booster but tell me that this is not meaningful:
Ranking by PASS ADVANCED RATE
Math
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 53.13
2 Langley High 26.05
3 Madison High 24.53
4 Chantilly High 23.66
5 Woodson High 21.05
6 Lake Braddock Secondary 19.74
7 McLean High 18.58
8 Oakton High 17.01
9 Centreville High 14.04
10 Robinson Secondary 13.58
English
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 93.62
2 Langley High 58.82
3 Madison High 51.15
4 Oakton High 50.83
5 McLean High 50.78
6 Woodson High 47.51
7 West Springfield High 44.84
8 Chantilly High 44.21
9 Marshall High 43.4
10 South Lakes High 38.7
Science
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 57.63 Science
2 Marshall High 31.36
3 Oakton High 30.01
4 Langley High 29.1
5 Woodson High 27.55
6 McLean High 25.67
7 West Springfield High 24.19
8 Chantilly High 22.96
9 Centreville High 17.46
10 Madison High 16.45
And ranking by PASS RATE
Math
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 99.04
2 Woodson High 92.63
3 Langley High 92.53
4 West Springfield High 92.34
5 Madison High 91.51
6 Oakton High 90.53
7 Marshall High 89.92
8 McLean High 87.17
9 Robinson Secondary 86.03
10 Lake Braddock Secondary 85.52
English
1 Langley High 98.82
2 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 98.41
3 West Springfield High 96.56
4 Woodson High 95.83
5 McLean High 95.67
6 Marshall High 95.4
7 Oakton High 94.44
8 Madison High 93.7
9 Centreville High 93.29
10 Chantilly High 92.85
Science
1 Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology 100
2 Langley High 95.26
3 Woodson High 90.96
4 Oakton High 90.69
5 West Springfield High 90.48
6 McLean High 86.88
7 Marshall High 85.55
8 Chantilly High 85.46
9 Madison High 85.37
10 Robinson Secondary 84.5
Anonymous
09/07/2023 14:58
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
I thought posters dismissed schools with SOL scores as focusing on the wrong thing - which explains why McLean is not #1 (just below TJ). All those other schools, Woodson, West Springfield, Marshall, Madison, and Oakton are just try hards. Amirite?
Anonymous
09/07/2023 14:53
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
SOLs are not hard enough to use as a proof of TJ’s lack of decline.
Anonymous
09/07/2023 14:32
Subject: Re:WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Clarification: top ten RANKED by pass rate by subject.
Anonymous
09/07/2023 14:31
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Rumors of the decline of TJ have been greatly exaggerated...
Top 10 in English (using pass rate as the criterion; the rankings change when you use pass advanced as the criterion, which is arguable a more sensitive measure):
Langley High (pass advanced: 59%
Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology (pass advanced: 94%!)
West Springfield High
Woodson High
McLean High
Marshall High
Oakton High
Madison High
Centreville High
Chantilly High
Top 10 in Math:
Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology
Langley High
Woodson High
West Springfield High
Madison High
Oakton High
Marshall High
McLean High
Robinson Secondary
Lake Braddock Secondary
Top ten in science:
Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology
Langley High
Woodson High
West Springfield High
Oakton High
McLean High
Chantilly High
Madison High
Marshall High
Top 10 in English (using pass rate as the criterion; the rankings change when you use pass advanced as the criterion, which is arguable a more sensitive measure):
Langley High (pass advanced: 59%
Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology (pass advanced: 94%!)
West Springfield High
Woodson High
McLean High
Marshall High
Oakton High
Madison High
Centreville High
Chantilly High
Top 10 in Math:
Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology
Langley High
Woodson High
West Springfield High
Madison High
Oakton High
Marshall High
McLean High
Robinson Secondary
Lake Braddock Secondary
Top ten in science:
Thomas Jefferson High for Science and Technology
Langley High
Woodson High
West Springfield High
Oakton High
McLean High
Chantilly High
Madison High
Marshall High
Anonymous
09/07/2023 13:19
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
SOL scores are up now. I checked and the 2023 scores are posted.
https://wjla.com/renderer/wjla/amp/news/local/virginia-education-scores-reading-math-struggling-covid-19-post-pandemic-academics-absence-absenteeism-teachers-elementary-middle-school-standards-of-learning-sol-department-vdoe-literacy-mathematics-commonwealth-knowledge-learning
https://wjla.com/renderer/wjla/amp/news/local/virginia-education-scores-reading-math-struggling-covid-19-post-pandemic-academics-absence-absenteeism-teachers-elementary-middle-school-standards-of-learning-sol-department-vdoe-literacy-mathematics-commonwealth-knowledge-learning
Anonymous
09/03/2023 15:52
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does this matter?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shame on FCPS!
FCPS used to release all this data on their school profiles. The state VA Dept of Education no longer allows that--they want to control all the data releases. Blame them not FCPS.
They never released individual scores. The other thing is if kids fail but make progress from previous year it counts as a pass.
They released all the percentages of Pass Proficient, Pass Advanced, and not Passing. CLose enough.
Yes, but these tests are unfair to ESL kids. So the data is skewed.
Some kids are exempt from taking them.
Very few kids are exempt - a tiny fraction of a percent.
Why does it matter? Because a PP was saying many ESL kids are exempt. Implying that schools with high ESL populations have a shot at a good score because so many kids are exempt. They are not exempt. It matters because kids who have been in the US less than a year are expected to take and pass these tests. It matters because kids who have been in this country 2 or 3 years are expected to take and pass these tests.
And when they don’t pass and a school with a lot of ESL students gets a low score everyone likes to say how bad the school is. Or how great their own school is when really it’s just a school of fortunate white, born in the USA upper income parents who succeeded in having a white born in the USA kid who goes to a school filled with other upper middle income white kids.
SOL scores mean NOTHING unless looked at in context.
Why do people like you have to always sh*t on white people? You could have made your same point without bringing race into it.
I wrote the comment and I’m white - white bread white. And I grew up going to upper middle class nearly all white schools. And as an adult if you don’t have any idea that the background, opportunities, and privileges of USA-born whites and ESL students are vastly different, then there is just no hope for you at this point. You are willfully ignorant.
New poster and I am not white.
Sure. There are privileges to being born white.
But, you have people who cannot speak English crossing the border in hazardous conditions and who cannot legally work in USA.
Yet, they work hard, and even with all the above limitations, feed themselves, save money to send back to their families.
Someone who is born in USA, who is not white, is somehow unable to do what these people who cross the border do? Why? Because 150 years ago their grandparent was a slave?
Spare me the nonsense.
They educate their children when they are here. Help those who meet half way. Not those who want handouts. It could be black, white, Mexican, Asian. Does not matter their race.
Anonymous
09/03/2023 15:48
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does this matter?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shame on FCPS!
FCPS used to release all this data on their school profiles. The state VA Dept of Education no longer allows that--they want to control all the data releases. Blame them not FCPS.
They never released individual scores. The other thing is if kids fail but make progress from previous year it counts as a pass.
They released all the percentages of Pass Proficient, Pass Advanced, and not Passing. CLose enough.
Yes, but these tests are unfair to ESL kids. So the data is skewed.
Some kids are exempt from taking them.
Very few kids are exempt - a tiny fraction of a percent.
Why does it matter? Because a PP was saying many ESL kids are exempt. Implying that schools with high ESL populations have a shot at a good score because so many kids are exempt. They are not exempt. It matters because kids who have been in the US less than a year are expected to take and pass these tests. It matters because kids who have been in this country 2 or 3 years are expected to take and pass these tests.
And when they don’t pass and a school with a lot of ESL students gets a low score everyone likes to say how bad the school is. Or how great their own school is when really it’s just a school of fortunate white, born in the USA upper income parents who succeeded in having a white born in the USA kid who goes to a school filled with other upper middle income white kids.
SOL scores mean NOTHING unless looked at in context.
Why do people like you have to always sh*t on white people? You could have made your same point without bringing race into it.
I wrote the comment and I’m white - white bread white. And I grew up going to upper middle class nearly all white schools. And as an adult if you don’t have any idea that the background, opportunities, and privileges of USA-born whites and ESL students are vastly different, then there is just no hope for you at this point. You are willfully ignorant.
New poster and I am not white.
Sure. There are privileges to being born white.
But, you have people who cannot speak English crossing the border in hazardous conditions and who cannot legally work in USA.
Yet, they work hard, and even with all the above limitations, feed themselves, save money to send back to their families.
Someone who is born in USA, who is not white, is somehow unable to do what these people who cross the border do? Why? Because 150 years ago their grandparent was a slave?
Spare me the nonsense.
Anonymous
09/03/2023 14:06
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anyway, no one was “sh*tting” on white people. Get a grip.
Anonymous
09/03/2023 14:04
Subject: WE WANT SCHOOL WIDE SOL SCORES
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But all things being equal, white people do have privilege over non-whites.
The objectionable post was criticizing the privilege of white born in the US people - as if being an American in America is something to be scorned.
SMH
It wasn’t “criticizing” that at all. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Lol
What do you think "privilege" means in this context? It ain't a compliment.
It’s not positive or negative. It just is what it is.
There was no criticism. Just the acknowledgment that test scores are higher for kids from certain demographics. It’s not their fault that they are born with privilege and it’s not other kids’ fault that they are born without. Acknowledging backgrounds is important for understanding context.