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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Well if you and your kid are allowing something an overweight tour guide to influence your decision then none of you is serious or smart enough for UVA anyway. So you’re doing the school a favor.

Enjoy the mediocrity of ODU, the safety school for VCU.

Telling that you are only addressing the overweight criticism, but say nothing about the non stop "ums" and "uhs," nor the upspeak or inappropriate clothing.

Look, we didn't just show up on campus and start interacting with random people. In both cases, ODU and UVA, the school chose the dates and times they were available to lead tours. The schools chose which students they wanted to represent them to prospective students and families. The caliber of student chosen by ODU far surpassed what UVA chose. I don't know why UVA chose the way they did, but ODU made good choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Well if you and your kid are allowing something an overweight tour guide to influence your decision then none of you is serious or smart enough for UVA anyway. So you’re doing the school a favor.

Enjoy the mediocrity of ODU, the safety school for VCU.

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Anonymous wrote:San Diego State isn't that expensive for OOS students and it's in Southern California and ranks ok. What's not to like about that?

CSU schools aren't worth it OOS.

-signed a CSU grad

it still has an acceptance rate of less than 38% which is more prestigious than - UVA

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Anonymous wrote:San Diego State isn't that expensive for OOS students and it's in Southern California and ranks ok. What's not to like about that?

CSU schools aren't worth it OOS.

-signed a CSU grad

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Anonymous wrote:I was down in Charlottesville for a girls trip last fall (none of us are alums nor do we have any biases for or against school)

I was actually sad to see some of the female students heading out for parties. There was one very unfortunate young lady who was wearing a very short skirt walking uphill. I had to look away for fear of exactly what I was seeing - like, I sure hope she was wearing underwear of some sort, but the brief glimpse I caught (not by choice, obviously) made me embarrassed for her.

I realize this isn’t just a UVA thing, but oof-the hoochie wear was everywhere near the Corner and Lawn.

It is just the human body. Get over it. Why would anyone be embarrassed?

You’d be cool with your daughter walking around with her vajayjay out for the world to see?

My main concern would be safety due to people like PP looking up her skirt and such.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Great way to choose a college.

DP
It’s a valid reason.

PP with the bad UVA tour experience here
Yes, I agree.
We were honestly surprised. With my kid's stats, it seems like UVA is within reach, but still-a reach. We went down there expecting to be just completely blown away and impressed with how amazing UVA is. I thought my kid would LOVE it and that we'd have to talk about how necessary it would be to apply ED and work all summer on an amazing essay, and to still keep expectations low, etc.
Instead we were blown away on how incompetent the student tour staff members were. Our specific tour guide wasn't our only bad experience there.
Maybe ODU only puts out their very best to lead the tours, and UVA puts out their very worst? But even if that's the case, that certainly says a lot about a university.

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Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

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Anonymous wrote:I was down in Charlottesville for a girls trip last fall (none of us are alums nor do we have any biases for or against school)

I was actually sad to see some of the female students heading out for parties. There was one very unfortunate young lady who was wearing a very short skirt walking uphill. I had to look away for fear of exactly what I was seeing - like, I sure hope she was wearing underwear of some sort, but the brief glimpse I caught (not by choice, obviously) made me embarrassed for her.

I realize this isn’t just a UVA thing, but oof-the hoochie wear was everywhere near the Corner and Lawn.

It is just the human body. Get over it. Why would anyone be embarrassed?

You’d be cool with your daughter walking around with her vajayjay out for the world to see?

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Anonymous wrote:I was down in Charlottesville for a girls trip last fall (none of us are alums nor do we have any biases for or against school)

I was actually sad to see some of the female students heading out for parties. There was one very unfortunate young lady who was wearing a very short skirt walking uphill. I had to look away for fear of exactly what I was seeing - like, I sure hope she was wearing underwear of some sort, but the brief glimpse I caught (not by choice, obviously) made me embarrassed for her.

I realize this isn’t just a UVA thing, but oof-the hoochie wear was everywhere near the Corner and Lawn.

It is just the human body. Get over it. Why would anyone be embarrassed?

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Anonymous wrote:Every state has its own public university (and typically multiple options or campuses). They provide access to the maximum number of students in the most efficient manner and they all have reputable programs and departments consistent with that state’s means and priorities.

So, why send your kid to another state’s public schools? I get that some people may not like the quality of any public school because of size or personal attention or prestige and therefore choose to pay extra for a private school, but if you send your kid to another state’s public school, you’re just paying private tuition rates (typically) for another state’s public option. Some people may also not like how the legislature misuses their own state schools for political gain by banning certain things or emphasizing others to the detriment of the overall education and thinks other states prioritize public universities more, but at least in your own state you have a say in that through your vote. And if you really hate your home state’s public universities, you often can move to another state, especially in a place like the DC area where you can do it without necessarily changing jobs, just like people move neighborhoods to send their kids to different public school systems.

It’s not that hard. The bar to enter a strong state public is higher for in-state students from competitive parts of the state than out of state students. Some kids bristle at the thought of a small private college. Some kids get into Michigan and not UVA. Sometimes those families don’t want to upend other aspects of their lives to move with the hopes (because it’s sure a sh*t not guaranteed) of improving admittance for one member of their family. Some people have more than enough income to send their kid to an oos public. Some kids want to get the hell out of their home state and have an adventure.

Life is not as black and white nor bear and tidy as you present.

Anonymous wrote:I was down in Charlottesville for a girls trip last fall (none of us are alums nor do we have any biases for or against school)

I was actually sad to see some of the female students heading out for parties. There was one very unfortunate young lady who was wearing a very short skirt walking uphill. I had to look away for fear of exactly what I was seeing - like, I sure hope she was wearing underwear of some sort, but the brief glimpse I caught (not by choice, obviously) made me embarrassed for her.

I realize this isn’t just a UVA thing, but oof-the hoochie wear was everywhere near the Corner and Lawn.

Anonymous wrote:I was down in Charlottesville for a girls trip last fall (none of us are alums nor do we have any biases for or against school)

I was actually sad to see some of the female students heading out for parties. There was one very unfortunate young lady who was wearing a very short skirt walking uphill. I had to look away for fear of exactly what I was seeing - like, I sure hope she was wearing underwear of some sort, but the brief glimpse I caught (not by choice, obviously) made me embarrassed for her.

I realize this isn’t just a UVA thing, but oof-the hoochie wear was everywhere near the Corner and Lawn.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Great way to choose a college.

DP
It’s a valid reason.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usually because they can’t get into UVA. Then they lie to themselves and others and say they wanted an “out of state experience.”

Not everyone wants to go to UVA.
We are in Virginia and my senior won't even be applying to UVA. We visited over the summer and our experience was awful. Our visit to Old Dominion University last fall was actually an OUTSTANDING experience. Based on our two experiences I have no idea why UVA has a better reputation.

Look, I’m sorry. Nobody with a chance at UVA admission also visits ODU. THAT’S why you’ve decided UVA is awful and ODU is outstanding. You’re fooling no one but yourself. Let’s not do this again, ok?

Go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

NP here. PP is right and you are being obtuse. Deliberately, most likely. The two schools have nothing in common in terms of prestige, environment, programs of study, or rigor. One is Uber competitive admissions and the other accepts 96% of applicants.

This doesn’t mean they aren’t both fine schools. It just means their target applicant pools are wildly different.

I'm not being obtuse.
Our guide at UVA was overweight and wearing daisy dukes and an extremely low cut shirt. She punctuated every single sentence with "um" and used "uh" as a comma in about half of them. She "upspoke" the entire time.
The ODU students were dressed in appropriate business casual. They were confident and articulate.
The difference was night and day.
If our guide is not representative of the UVA "target applicant pool" I can't imagine why she was chosen as a guide.

Great way to choose a college.