Anonymous
08/26/2023 12:21
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED
Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.
How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.
+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.
Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service
M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.
If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.
There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.
Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM
Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.
STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.
This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.
Ok…talking CS, engineering and physics vs hard sciences like biology and neuroscience.
The numbers for the above still heavily skew male, but colleges still try to hit a 50/50 mix.
I can attest at my kid’s coed school that only maybe 10% of the girls’ declared intended major were CS or engineering.
Only some try to hit 50-50 . Most engineering programs skew heavily male.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 12:11
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Big 3
Average grade, averace EC
Not an athlete not a legacy
1480 SAT
ED
This proves the above PP's point - big 3 is the hook.
? Unless you can prove that students from public schools with those stats who ED don't get in, that "proves" nothing.
Obviously, they do get in but not at the same rate with same stats.
There is no data to support this, nor do I think there ever will. Kind of a pointless argument either way.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 12:10
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:So are people saying girls who have taken BC calc in 10th with a 5 are at an advantage? Along w honors sciences , 2 years post BC math, AP Chem , AP physics C, AP comp
Sci principles, AP Comp Sci A
I was thinking many of the very top students have this
It depends on your school. If everyone from your school is taking these classes for entry into a STEM major at a top college, you better take them too.
If very few people are taking them and you're among those very few you're probably good. My daughter attends a top girls DMV private where probably only 5 girls per year take the trifecta of calc BC/physics C and/AP comp sci.
Those girls do very well in college admissions to top schools.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 12:05
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Big 3
Average grade, averace EC
Not an athlete not a legacy
1480 SAT
ED
This proves the above PP's point - big 3 is the hook.
? Unless you can prove that students from public schools with those stats who ED don't get in, that "proves" nothing.
Obviously, they do get in but not at the same rate with same stats.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 12:00
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Big 3
Average grade, averace EC
Not an athlete not a legacy
1480 SAT
ED
This proves the above PP's point - big 3 is the hook.
? Unless you can prove that students from public schools with those stats who ED don't get in, that "proves" nothing.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:52
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are all of these posts full-pay?
Hell no. We just paid 7k for one semester. None of them worth full pay in my eyes.
Kind of an odd gloat…are you admitting to a low HHI? We are talking about need-only schools not merit schools, so basically you are poor enough to get $70k / year in grants.
Congrats!
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:43
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Are all of these posts full-pay?
Hell no. We just paid 7k for one semester. None of them worth full pay in my eyes.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:27
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED
Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.
How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.
+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.
Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service
M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.
If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.
There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.
Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM
Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.
STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.
This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.
Same at my daughter's girls school but they were almost all pre-med biology or neuroscience majors. only a handful (less than 5) had taken calculus physics or computer science and less than 10 took calc BC. So the majority were "STEM lite."
Good number of female computer science majors coming from my dd’s school. Calculus is a graduation requirement so every girl takes some version of it, and about 10 percent of grade takes bc as a junior, another 20-30percent take bc as seniors. Girls interested in computer science take the AP class, typically as juniors, then an advanced seminar in computer science as seniors,
I’m sure girls coming from stem magnets or the better public schoo,shave all these classes and more.
What you are claiming simply isn’t true
Huh?
How can you speak on behalf of schools your daughter does not attend?
Yes, at my daughter's school (one of the two top girl's schools in the DMV), calculus (of any form) is not a graduation requirement. Only about 15-20% of the girls take Calc BC by graduation. Others take AB, others take non-AP calculus, others max out at pre-calc.
Probably equally true for boys at your school.
It hasn’t been true for at least a decade that there isn’t lots of girls applying in stem majors, and therefore, there is no advantage. College admissions are harder for girls across the board because more qualified girls apply than boys, with the only exception being the few schools that still have a gender imbalance of too many boys, such as Ga Tech and Colorado School of Mines.
Again, from scientific American in 2022…only 20% of CS grads and 22% of engineering are women.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:24
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED
Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.
How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.
+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.
Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service
NP.. my DC had higher stats, but they were rejected at T25.
It's the essays. There are a gazillion students with great stats.
The essays are where it's at. It's the chance to shine. Some rise to the occasion. Some don't. It's the only place where you can get a an app reader to argue for you at the table. People ignore that at their peril.
Or it's just chance?
Nah. People really underestimating the power of a good essay.
Pretty sure that's how mine got into a top school. Had the grades and the test scores. But the essay was kick-ass. It was really funny and self-deprecating. It totally rocked.
Good writing generally corresponds with good thinking. It's the one spot where applicants can distinguish themselves. And don't even think about using AI or tutors. Readers can sense BS from a mile away
Essays. The dirty secret.
I’ve worked in admissions for many years. It’s pretty well understood that literally anyone could have written the essay. There is no way to know it was the applicant.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:14
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED
Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.
How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.
+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.
Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service
M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.
If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.
There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.
Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM
Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.
STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.
This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.
Same at my daughter's girls school but they were almost all pre-med biology or neuroscience majors. only a handful (less than 5) had taken calculus physics or computer science and less than 10 took calc BC. So the majority were "STEM lite."
Good number of female computer science majors coming from my dd’s school. Calculus is a graduation requirement so every girl takes some version of it, and about 10 percent of grade takes bc as a junior, another 20-30percent take bc as seniors. Girls interested in computer science take the AP class, typically as juniors, then an advanced seminar in computer science as seniors,
I’m sure girls coming from stem magnets or the better public schoo,shave all these classes and more.
What you are claiming simply isn’t true
Huh?
How can you speak on behalf of schools your daughter does not attend?
Yes, at my daughter's school (one of the two top girl's schools in the DMV), calculus (of any form) is not a graduation requirement. Only about 15-20% of the girls take Calc BC by graduation. Others take AB, others take non-AP calculus, others max out at pre-calc.
Probably equally true for boys at your school.
It hasn’t been true for at least a decade that there isn’t lots of girls applying in stem majors, and therefore, there is no advantage. College admissions are harder for girls across the board because more qualified girls apply than boys, with the only exception being the few schools that still have a gender imbalance of too many boys, such as Ga Tech and Colorado School of Mines.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 11:09
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:So are people saying girls who have taken BC calc in 10th with a 5 are at an advantage? Along w honors sciences , 2 years post BC math, AP Chem , AP physics C, AP comp
Sci principles, AP Comp Sci A
I was thinking many of the very top students have this
Are you joking?
Anonymous
08/26/2023 10:52
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Can people say which top 25 schools they got admit. Defer , waitlist , reject and whether is was EA, ED, ED2?
Anonymous
08/26/2023 10:51
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
So are people saying girls who have taken BC calc in 10th with a 5 are at an advantage? Along w honors sciences , 2 years post BC math, AP Chem , AP physics C, AP comp
Sci principles, AP Comp Sci A
I was thinking many of the very top students have this
Sci principles, AP Comp Sci A
I was thinking many of the very top students have this
Anonymous
08/26/2023 10:45
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:- what were their stats
- did they apply Test Optional
- did they have a hook (athletic recruit, first gen etc)
- did they apply ED
Just trying to understand what’s really possible. Our school’s SCOIR data includes students from many years ago.
How about this, tell us your kid's stats and we will tell you if it is possible.
+1. Much faster. Give us your kid's stats as well as what state they are in and what type of school they are attending (public, independent, parochial). We will chance them.
Ok
4.0 UW / 4.7 W
1560 SAT (one time , no superscore)
5s on AP exams taken so far
12 APs , plus 2 years post BC Calc math (multi var calc and DifEq / linear Alg)
4 years varsity in one sport (but not recruited)
National qualifier in an academic Ec
Exceptional ECs in 2 areas w lots of initiative/ leadership and service
M or F
Interested in STEM or nonSTEM
The stats are high enough…no college cares about a 1600 vs a 1560.
If M and non-STEM, competitive at any school.
There is no such thing as Exceptional ECs…there are “real” ECs like competitive debate and BS ECs like Honor Society. Tons that are in between at which a kid can do exceptional things even though the EC is nothing unusual.
Female
Real ECs - like debate , robotics , service, research, sports
Has diverse interests - could be STEM plus something non-STEM
Real ECs? People have gone bat sh*t crazy around here. Truly.
STEM for females has much higher admission chances, in general.
This isn’t true. At least two thirds of the students at my 2023 dd’s all girls school applied as stem majors. I imagine that is representative of girls everywhere.
Same at my daughter's girls school but they were almost all pre-med biology or neuroscience majors. only a handful (less than 5) had taken calculus physics or computer science and less than 10 took calc BC. So the majority were "STEM lite."
Good number of female computer science majors coming from my dd’s school. Calculus is a graduation requirement so every girl takes some version of it, and about 10 percent of grade takes bc as a junior, another 20-30percent take bc as seniors. Girls interested in computer science take the AP class, typically as juniors, then an advanced seminar in computer science as seniors,
I’m sure girls coming from stem magnets or the better public schoo,shave all these classes and more.
What you are claiming simply isn’t true
Huh?
How can you speak on behalf of schools your daughter does not attend?
Yes, at my daughter's school (one of the two top girl's schools in the DMV), calculus (of any form) is not a graduation requirement. Only about 15-20% of the girls take Calc BC by graduation. Others take AB, others take non-AP calculus, others max out at pre-calc.
Anonymous
08/26/2023 10:38
Subject: If your child got into a T25 in the last 2 years
Anonymous wrote:With public school grade inflation the most important data is SAT/ACT even in TO. Showing you have a high standardized test and high GPA in honors means a lot.
I wish. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case. Plenty of kids admitted TO, plenty of kids denied with high test scores.
I have a 4.0 uw/1560 senior applying to one T10 RD and several T25-50. Full pay. Based on what happened with my older kids, I have no idea what is going to happen with this one's admission decisions.