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Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

But if the mask protects the wearer, why do you need others to wear the mask?

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Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

I’m a teacher who worked in-person throughout Covid. Not only did I wear a high-quality mask for 8-9 hours at a time, I spent most of that time talking or presenting. My high school students did fine with theirs, as well. We continued this for an entire year, heading outside to eat and then masking up and going about our day.

Honestly, most of the school population handled it very well. We had no outbreaks and we were able to pull off student activities, just modified a bit. The only people who were angrily against masking were a small handful of parents, and even their children disagreed with them.

You don't speak for everyone at your school.

It's clear to me that masking is more comfortable for some people than others. Some people wear them all day while talking and it doesn't impact them at all. For others it's very uncomfortable, they get claustrophobic, the mask gets humid and unpleasant, etc.

At one point I had to wear a mask 8 hours a day for several months. I understood why it was required and was happy to comply and be a team player. But it was very uncomfortable. I found myself often wanting to reach up and remove the mask, like compulsively. I trained myself not to, but it was hard. Each day at lunch id go outside and it was such a massive relief to remove it. I would watch the clock starting at 11 to look forward to it. When the whole thing was over, for weeks I felt the relief of being able to not mask daily.

I'm glad masking is NBD for you. I don't know why it's fine for you and hard for me. But it's not me being callous or unkind -- I mask whenever asked to do so. But if I had a job that required me to do it indefinitely... I might be one one of those people wearing it under my nose. It's just hard for me. I can do it when I know it's temporary. I don't think I could mask on a permanent basis, and it's clear there are many people like me.

And it’s also clear that there are many people like me. I work with them. There are also plenty of professions that wear masks regularly (surgeons, scientists, etc.)

I will concede that they can be uncomfortable, but I’ll happily put one on if it means we can protect the vulnerable among us. But the parents who screamed throughout Covid were not upset about comfort. It was about “freedom” and “rights.” That’s harder for me to tolerate.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

I’m a teacher who worked in-person throughout Covid. Not only did I wear a high-quality mask for 8-9 hours at a time, I spent most of that time talking or presenting. My high school students did fine with theirs, as well. We continued this for an entire year, heading outside to eat and then masking up and going about our day.

Honestly, most of the school population handled it very well. We had no outbreaks and we were able to pull off student activities, just modified a bit. The only people who were angrily against masking were a small handful of parents, and even their children disagreed with them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

I’m a teacher who worked in-person throughout Covid. Not only did I wear a high-quality mask for 8-9 hours at a time, I spent most of that time talking or presenting. My high school students did fine with theirs, as well. We continued this for an entire year, heading outside to eat and then masking up and going about our day.

Honestly, most of the school population handled it very well. We had no outbreaks and we were able to pull off student activities, just modified a bit. The only people who were angrily against masking were a small handful of parents, and even their children disagreed with them.

You don't speak for everyone at your school.

It's clear to me that masking is more comfortable for some people than others. Some people wear them all day while talking and it doesn't impact them at all. For others it's very uncomfortable, they get claustrophobic, the mask gets humid and unpleasant, etc.

At one point I had to wear a mask 8 hours a day for several months. I understood why it was required and was happy to comply and be a team player. But it was very uncomfortable. I found myself often wanting to reach up and remove the mask, like compulsively. I trained myself not to, but it was hard. Each day at lunch id go outside and it was such a massive relief to remove it. I would watch the clock starting at 11 to look forward to it. When the whole thing was over, for weeks I felt the relief of being able to not mask daily.

I'm glad masking is NBD for you. I don't know why it's fine for you and hard for me. But it's not me being callous or unkind -- I mask whenever asked to do so. But if I had a job that required me to do it indefinitely... I might be one one of those people wearing it under my nose. It's just hard for me. I can do it when I know it's temporary. I don't think I could mask on a permanent basis, and it's clear there are many people like me.

And it’s also clear that there are many people like me. I work with them. There are also plenty of professions that wear masks regularly (surgeons, scientists, etc.)

I will concede that they can be uncomfortable, but I’ll happily put one on if it means we can protect the vulnerable among us. But the parents who screamed throughout Covid were not upset about comfort. It was about “freedom” and “rights.” That’s harder for me to tolerate.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

I’m a teacher who worked in-person throughout Covid. Not only did I wear a high-quality mask for 8-9 hours at a time, I spent most of that time talking or presenting. My high school students did fine with theirs, as well. We continued this for an entire year, heading outside to eat and then masking up and going about our day.

Honestly, most of the school population handled it very well. We had no outbreaks and we were able to pull off student activities, just modified a bit. The only people who were angrily against masking were a small handful of parents, and even their children disagreed with them.

You don't speak for everyone at your school.

It's clear to me that masking is more comfortable for some people than others. Some people wear them all day while talking and it doesn't impact them at all. For others it's very uncomfortable, they get claustrophobic, the mask gets humid and unpleasant, etc.

At one point I had to wear a mask 8 hours a day for several months. I understood why it was required and was happy to comply and be a team player. But it was very uncomfortable. I found myself often wanting to reach up and remove the mask, like compulsively. I trained myself not to, but it was hard. Each day at lunch id go outside and it was such a massive relief to remove it. I would watch the clock starting at 11 to look forward to it. When the whole thing was over, for weeks I felt the relief of being able to not mask daily.

I'm glad masking is NBD for you. I don't know why it's fine for you and hard for me. But it's not me being callous or unkind -- I mask whenever asked to do so. But if I had a job that required me to do it indefinitely... I might be one one of those people wearing it under my nose. It's just hard for me. I can do it when I know it's temporary. I don't think I could mask on a permanent basis, and it's clear there are many people like me.

And it’s also clear that there are many people like me. I work with them. There are also plenty of professions that wear masks regularly (surgeons, scientists, etc.)

I will concede that they can be uncomfortable, but I’ll happily put one on if it means we can protect the vulnerable among us. But the parents who screamed throughout Covid were not upset about comfort. It was about “freedom” and “rights.” That’s harder for me to tolerate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

I’m a teacher who worked in-person throughout Covid. Not only did I wear a high-quality mask for 8-9 hours at a time, I spent most of that time talking or presenting. My high school students did fine with theirs, as well. We continued this for an entire year, heading outside to eat and then masking up and going about our day.

Honestly, most of the school population handled it very well. We had no outbreaks and we were able to pull off student activities, just modified a bit. The only people who were angrily against masking were a small handful of parents, and even their children disagreed with them.

You don't speak for everyone at your school.

It's clear to me that masking is more comfortable for some people than others. Some people wear them all day while talking and it doesn't impact them at all. For others it's very uncomfortable, they get claustrophobic, the mask gets humid and unpleasant, etc.

At one point I had to wear a mask 8 hours a day for several months. I understood why it was required and was happy to comply and be a team player. But it was very uncomfortable. I found myself often wanting to reach up and remove the mask, like compulsively. I trained myself not to, but it was hard. Each day at lunch id go outside and it was such a massive relief to remove it. I would watch the clock starting at 11 to look forward to it. When the whole thing was over, for weeks I felt the relief of being able to not mask daily.

I'm glad masking is NBD for you. I don't know why it's fine for you and hard for me. But it's not me being callous or unkind -- I mask whenever asked to do so. But if I had a job that required me to do it indefinitely... I might be one one of those people wearing it under my nose. It's just hard for me. I can do it when I know it's temporary. I don't think I could mask on a permanent basis, and it's clear there are many people like me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

I’m a teacher who worked in-person throughout Covid. Not only did I wear a high-quality mask for 8-9 hours at a time, I spent most of that time talking or presenting. My high school students did fine with theirs, as well. We continued this for an entire year, heading outside to eat and then masking up and going about our day.

Honestly, most of the school population handled it very well. We had no outbreaks and we were able to pull off student activities, just modified a bit. The only people who were angrily against masking were a small handful of parents, and even their children disagreed with them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Nearly no one? That’s bollocks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huge spike?

it’s honestly like these people get excited from contemplating a “huge” spike

There is a difference between giving a warning and getting "excited."

If you don't already have long covid, and don't want to mask, fine. Go for it.

We don't want mandates coming back because of those who want to mask and, most importantly, can't wait to force everyone to mask again. In some places mandates already restarted. The idea that we will continue living like this with masking and possibly lockdown waves every now and then and all the division and friction among people doesn't make me happy. If it makes you happy, you are a sociopath. We know that this virus isn't going away, it's a merry-go-round thing. Masking and lockdowns didn't stop it even in places implementing most draconian measures. And it's not about personal protection, this has been always available to everyone who wanted. Some continued wearing masks and never stopped, they were not unicorns.
and nobody really cared about this until the usual "recommendations" that lead to mandates in some places first (already started) and then spread like cancer all over, into every classroom, office, store, public transit, etc.

It doesn’t make us “happy” to acknowledge that this is in fact what is happening. It is reality. There will be waves. They are disproportionately dangerous for some in our society and not to others. The question is: how do we respond to those facts?

Your preference is we all act like it’s not happening and some degree of eugenic selection occurs and in fact may even be celebrated (as it has been in this very thread).

My preference is a society that values inclusion of disabled people, and in a society like the one I want there will be some masking required—especially in places where personal presence is not optional.

For those of us who cannot take the chance of repeated COVID infection, those mask rules make us more free to move around the world with the same freedom you claim to so prize for yourself and in general.

We can each repeat ourselves about this forever. The bottom line is you are highly ideologically motivated to act like masks do not matter and I am highly motivated by a desire to keep living as normally as possible, and without additional disability, to act like they do. Don’t confuse that with whether I am “happy” about it or not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.

Perhaps some, but there’s no evidence to support your claim that “a lot” of absences could be avoided with mask mandates at schools. Nearly no one can consistently wear a high-quality mask for 6 hours. That's just as true for adults as middle schoolers.

Anonymous wrote:What is the problem with wearing a mask while sitting in a medical waiting room?

I can understand why elementary school kids struggle with masks but think it should be required indoors for middle and high schoolers. A lot of student and staff absences could be avoided.