Anonymous wrote:“My sadness and pain is no less …. THAN IF SHE WERE A HUMAN CHILD… because she was a dog”.

That is what she is saying because that’s what the question in the OP is (do you love your kids more than your dog)

And you continue to argue in her favor and say that this is just her personal experience. Lol. I guess if her personal experience involves both her child and her dog dying in a house fire and she grieved them equally , then, of course. Otherwise she is making a comparison where she has zero experience in the matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add- if she has in fact also lost a child, and she is saying this pain is no less for her, then I agree with you. It’s mind boggling but you’re right , it is her experience and everyone is entitled to their own feelings and experiences.

But if she did not lose a child, and she still is comparing losing a dog as equal to losing a child, then she is in fact absolutely comparing her pain to that of a mother losing her child. Because she certainly isn’t comparing it to the pain of losing her own child, so, then whose pain is she saying it is equal to? A mothers pain.

Why do you think you know more about how she experienced loss than she does? She’s saying she couldn’t have hurt more if it had been her literal child. Maybe that’s true, maybe she’s off base, but she’s in a better position to judge her emotional state than you are.

Because she is saying it hurts just as bad as a mother losing a child, without having experienced losing a child! Which is breathtakingly insulting to mothers on this site who have watched their children die. I can say “my stubbed toe hurts just as bad as having my appendix removed without anesthesia” , but if I’ve never actually experienced the latter, the comparison is not “my own feelings/ my own emotions”, because I’m talking out of my ass.

“It’s the most pain I’ve ever felt” would be much more valid here. Because you’re no longer comparing losing your dog to a mother losing her child. You’re sticking strictly to your own experience.

For. Her.

That is the case for her.

Period.

Her beliefs about her own feelings is no reflection on you or your child or other mothers.

You flat out cannot say “X feels the same as Y” without having experienced Y. This holds true for all life experiences.

My sadness and pain is no less just because he was a dog.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add- if she has in fact also lost a child, and she is saying this pain is no less for her, then I agree with you. It’s mind boggling but you’re right , it is her experience and everyone is entitled to their own feelings and experiences.

But if she did not lose a child, and she still is comparing losing a dog as equal to losing a child, then she is in fact absolutely comparing her pain to that of a mother losing her child. Because she certainly isn’t comparing it to the pain of losing her own child, so, then whose pain is she saying it is equal to? A mothers pain.

Why do you think you know more about how she experienced loss than she does? She’s saying she couldn’t have hurt more if it had been her literal child. Maybe that’s true, maybe she’s off base, but she’s in a better position to judge her emotional state than you are.

Because she is saying it hurts just as bad as a mother losing a child, without having experienced losing a child! Which is breathtakingly insulting to mothers on this site who have watched their children die. I can say “my stubbed toe hurts just as bad as having my appendix removed without anesthesia” , but if I’ve never actually experienced the latter, the comparison is not “my own feelings/ my own emotions”, because I’m talking out of my ass.

“It’s the most pain I’ve ever felt” would be much more valid here. Because you’re no longer comparing losing your dog to a mother losing her child. You’re sticking strictly to your own experience.

For. Her.

That is the case for her.

Period.

Her beliefs about her own feelings is no reflection on you or your child or other mothers.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add- if she has in fact also lost a child, and she is saying this pain is no less for her, then I agree with you. It’s mind boggling but you’re right , it is her experience and everyone is entitled to their own feelings and experiences.

But if she did not lose a child, and she still is comparing losing a dog as equal to losing a child, then she is in fact absolutely comparing her pain to that of a mother losing her child. Because she certainly isn’t comparing it to the pain of losing her own child, so, then whose pain is she saying it is equal to? A mothers pain.

Why do you think you know more about how she experienced loss than she does? She’s saying she couldn’t have hurt more if it had been her literal child. Maybe that’s true, maybe she’s off base, but she’s in a better position to judge her emotional state than you are.

Because she is saying it hurts just as bad as a mother losing a child, without having experienced losing a child! Which is breathtakingly insulting to mothers on this site who have watched their children die. I can say “my stubbed toe hurts just as bad as having my appendix removed without anesthesia” , but if I’ve never actually experienced the latter, the comparison is not “my own feelings/ my own emotions”, because I’m talking out of my ass.

“It’s the most pain I’ve ever felt” would be much more valid here. Because you’re no longer comparing losing your dog to a mother losing her child. You’re sticking strictly to your own experience.

Anonymous wrote:I dare the one PP to attend the funeral of some 4 year old baby and hug the grieving mother and say “I know just how you feel. My dog died last week.”

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

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Anonymous wrote:I will add- if she has in fact also lost a child, and she is saying this pain is no less for her, then I agree with you. It’s mind boggling but you’re right , it is her experience and everyone is entitled to their own feelings and experiences.

But if she did not lose a child, and she still is comparing losing a dog as equal to losing a child, then she is in fact absolutely comparing her pain to that of a mother losing her child. Because she certainly isn’t comparing it to the pain of losing her own child, so, then whose pain is she saying it is equal to? A mothers pain.

Why do you think you know more about how she experienced loss than she does? She’s saying she couldn’t have hurt more if it had been her literal child. Maybe that’s true, maybe she’s off base, but she’s in a better position to judge her emotional state than you are.

Anonymous wrote:God no. You people are rotten.

Anonymous wrote:I will add- if she has in fact also lost a child, and she is saying this pain is no less for her, then I agree with you. It’s mind boggling but you’re right , it is her experience and everyone is entitled to their own feelings and experiences.

But if she did not lose a child, and she still is comparing losing a dog as equal to losing a child, then she is in fact absolutely comparing her pain to that of a mother losing her child. Because she certainly isn’t comparing it to the pain of losing her own child, so, then whose pain is she saying it is equal to? A mothers pain.

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Anonymous wrote:I lost a beloved dog recently, and I don't think I will ever get over that loss. That dog and I were extremely bonded, and I loved him with all my heart. Losing him hit me hard. My sadness and pain is no less just because he was a dog.

Please never ever say this out loud to someone who has lost a child

People like PPs do not have children, and therefore believe their love for a pet is a close facsimile. It is not, and obviously those of us who do have kids (and pets) know this.

I actually laughed out loud.

nO oNe UnDeRsTanDs ExCePt Us.

Yes, chimps, rats, and every other live-birthing mammal understands. Weird flex, but……Congrats?

That’s beside the point. The first PP formed a strong bond with her dog, and she’s mourning. She has no reason to say that to a parent who lost their child.

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She literally said that her pain is no less than than the pain of a parent who loses a young child. Without sarcasm.

She said HER pain was no less because it was a dog and not a human. She did not compare her pain to anyone else’s or make any judgments about how other people feel. Everyone is not the same. She is explaining HER feelings, which she is entitled to, as you are entitled to yours.

She said, and I quote, “my pain was no less because it was a dog”. Meaning, no less than the pain of losing a human child. She literally made a 1:1 comparison. I’m sorry, but that is messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:I lost a beloved dog recently, and I don't think I will ever get over that loss. That dog and I were extremely bonded, and I loved him with all my heart. Losing him hit me hard. My sadness and pain is no less just because he was a dog.

Please never ever say this out loud to someone who has lost a child

People like PPs do not have children, and therefore believe their love for a pet is a close facsimile. It is not, and obviously those of us who do have kids (and pets) know this.

I actually laughed out loud.

nO oNe UnDeRsTanDs ExCePt Us.

Yes, chimps, rats, and every other live-birthing mammal understands. Weird flex, but……Congrats?

That’s beside the point. The first PP formed a strong bond with her dog, and she’s mourning. She has no reason to say that to a parent who lost their child.

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She literally said that her pain is no less than than the pain of a parent who loses a young child. Without sarcasm.

She said HER pain was no less because it was a dog and not a human. She did not compare her pain to anyone else’s or make any judgments about how other people feel. Everyone is not the same. She is explaining HER feelings, which she is entitled to, as you are entitled to yours.

She said, and I quote, “my pain was no less because it was a dog”. Meaning, no less than the pain of losing a human child. She literally made a 1:1 comparison. I’m sorry, but that is messed up.