Anonymous
07/23/2023 11:15
Subject: Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Always cracks me up when private school parents want to compare their schools against 'those generic publics' but never against a TJ or a Maggie Walker.
How about we discuss this. A B- at TJ would be the equivalent of an A at a private school.
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How about we discuss this. A B- at TJ would be the equivalent of an A at a private school.
Continue..
Anonymous
07/23/2023 11:11
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
In the name of “equity,” there absolutely is grade inflation in public. Here’s Arlington’s new policy:
Superintendent Francisco Durán said he has signed off on changes to the middle and high school grading policy at Arlington Public Schools that will allow students to retake or redo assignments and reduce the weight of quizzes or homework on a student’s overall grade.
Under the new policy, which is scheduled to go into effect July 1, according to school board documents, students will have the opportunity to retake or revise class assignments like tests, projects or essays.
The kids at my DD aren’t retaking tests and revising assignments. Your grade is your grade. What’s the point if you get an opportunity to do this? Just pass everybody (hint: they are) and give A+s to all B students.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 11:08
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
My brother is a high school teacher at a title 1 school and goes on and on about how hardworking kids are and how much responsibility they have. They all have jobs or real home responsibilities, like they cant' stay late at school b/c they have to pick up their siblings, make the dinner, etc bcs mom works til 11. He had a student who missed a week of school and when my brother asked about it the kid said he can never get to school during Restaurant Week because it's too slammed. This is not a kid working at his mom and dad's place, which is super common too, but a kid who literally is working a full-time job while providing for his family. But sure, they're all lazy at your husband's school I guess.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 11:03
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those kids don’t even attend school on a regular basis. My DH had quite a few students who missed well over 50 days of school. They missed that every year.
Yes. Public school teacher here. The ones getting Cs and Ds DON'T ATTEND SCHOOL.
And there are a surprisingly large number of them.
Let me be frank. It is not difficult to get Bs at most publics if you simply come to school and make any attempt to do the work.
Are we comparing 50k private schools with schools that have high truancy rates? Because I bet the kids from Thomas Jefferson or Bronx Science would like a word.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 11:02
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
That's BS. My DC has plenty of Cs mainly because he doesn't turn in his work. No teacher is 'begging' him to do the work. I wish they did! DS says there are other kids worse than him.
Mine has managed to pull out B- at the last minute but yes, quite a few of his friends have multiple Cs on their transcripts. Our school does not have retakes -- or, to be more precise, in three years of high school, taking almost entirely honors/AP, my son has never had a teacher who allowed retakes or gave extra credit. I'm always amazed when I read the comments on this forum about retakes.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 11:02
Subject: Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:same. parents who are paying 50k are making calls if their kid gets a B.
Exactly. The more expensive the school, the more inclined the school would be to provide the best customer experience.
My family is literally among the top 2% of donors to a local DMV very rigrorous private--we're talking high 7 figures over the years. My child has ADHD but works very hard and does okay. She is immature and sometimes that shows in the classroom, though not in her actual work. But her immaturity does create bias in some teachers, particularly the really arrogant ones. One history teacher, a man in his 70s, who is the most arrogant, ineffective teacher she has ever come across, called her stupid in various forms, in front of the class, consistenly. Things like: If you ask a question that stupid again I will remvoe you from this classroom. In the end, he gave her Cs on almost every paper she handed in, and Bs and B-s on tests, based mostly on the subjective grading part (in other words, she always knew the answers, but he took off so many 1/2 points here and there for style-related things that he didn't like that her entire score would come down). While she spoke with the school resource teacher, DD was insistent we not do anything about it, that this is the way teachers are sometimes and she'll just keep working to do better. Great attitude, right? She worked day and night on her final paper. She needed a B+ or better to get her grade up to a B- for the year. She had another history teacher from a different grade proofread it for her and he said it was exellent. She got a C--he took two points off of very single footnote because she put a comma in the wrong place so they were technically the wrong format. That was the final straw for me and I went to the school. They would not consider reviewing her work. That's all I asked for. For an objective, independent teacher to review the paper, and possibly some of the other work, in comparison to other students because it was clear he was not treating her fairly. They wouldn't budge. She got As in every other history cass and took advanced levels in her junior and senior years. This was unfair grading and definitely not inflated. Trust me, at these privates, it does not matter how much you pay or how much you donate. They will not change grades.
Do you think teachers like this do not exist in public schools?
There's probably more of them. The point is, even the most connected, biggest donors to private school are not able to get grades changed, which is the assertion by many posters here. At publics, and this is absolute fact, that student would have had the chance to re-do the paper and re-take tests until they got an A. This is why more than half of APS students have over 4.0s. They take and retake until the get As.
I'll take your word on this for these particular public schools, but my kids are in public schools in nyc and I've never heard of anyone at their schools or any school around here letting kids "re-take tests until they get an A". That's not a thing. We have kids with C averages, for sure. We have kids who flunk out. We have kids who immigrated the day before they start school on a random Tuesday midyear, having no English. 10% of nyc students are in "transitional housing" (have no permanent home, in shelters, etc). A substantial number don't graduate and the number going on going onto 4-year residential colleges is not high. Not enough space to get into the lack of resources on the school side, but the average student per college counselor ratio is 500:1 here. There's maybe one all-class presentation on how it works and that's it. Essay help, LOL. You think a teacher with 34 kids in their class is going to offer to administer tests multiple times? Are you high? Just the idea that families in public schools are gunning and gunning to game the system by retaking tests to get to XYZ college and grabbing some unfair advantage over your kid is to display an utter lack of awareness of what families and schools struggle with. So, no, redoing things til you "get an A" is not an option.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:55
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
That's BS. My DC has plenty of Cs mainly because he doesn't turn in his work. No teacher is 'begging' him to do the work. I wish they did! DS says there are other kids worse than him.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:42
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Those kids don’t even attend school on a regular basis. My DH had quite a few students who missed well over 50 days of school. They missed that every year.
… and? They’re still getting Cs and Ds. This idea that public school teachers are not allowed to give Cs and Ds is demonstrably false. They can and they do.
Private school parents are angry because when colleges look at class rank, computed or imputed, those kids are included in the denominator for public school. Those kids aren’t even in private school, so instead some rich college-bound kid has to be in the bottom 10%. But of course avoiding those kids is one of the main reasons people go to private school in the first place. You can’t have it both ways. Somebody has to be at the bottom of the class.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:40
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Those kids don’t even attend school on a regular basis. My DH had quite a few students who missed well over 50 days of school. They missed that every year.
Yes. Public school teacher here. The ones getting Cs and Ds DON'T ATTEND SCHOOL.
And there are a surprisingly large number of them.
Let me be frank. It is not difficult to get Bs at most publics if you simply come to school and make any attempt to do the work.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:38
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
14% of graduating seniors at my local public school have unweighted GPAs below 2.0.
How is that possible, if public school students don’t actually get Cs and DS anymore?
25% of MCPS students are "chronically absent".
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1138238.page
There are your C and D students. The ones that don't actually attend school.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:33
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Those kids don’t even attend school on a regular basis. My DH had quite a few students who missed well over 50 days of school. They missed that every year.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:23
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
14% of graduating seniors at my local public school have unweighted GPAs below 2.0.
How is that possible, if public school students don’t actually get Cs and DS anymore?
Anonymous
07/23/2023 10:23
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
These aren't the kids applying to top colleges. Much ado about nothing.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 09:43
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.
Not anymore. The pressure on public school teachers to get kids to get at least a C is immense. My DH is constantly having to contact parents and get kids to do retakes is ridiculous. He’s basically begging kids to do work. It’s pathetic.
Anonymous
07/23/2023 09:23
Subject: Re:Is a public school A = private school A- (or B+)?
Anonymous wrote:I'm in nyc where there are plenty of private schools that are pretty well known for grade inflation.
Here's an example of grade distribution:
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1662473043/packer/jqwg5zprhm5kuweelfde/2022-23SchoolProfileBrochureforCollegeOffice.pdf
I 100% do not assume public schools grade more leniently than private schools. Usually it's the opposite. Public schools kids can actually get a C or a D
Yes. Former private school teacher, public school student. The one time I tried to give a C student a C at my private school faced extreme pushback from the family and then the school. At public school, lots of kids actually get Cs and Ds.