Anonymous wrote:For many universities, lower HHI and very rural zip code will be a big hook. Other hooks also will change.

Within maybe 5 years all universities will have new criteria to get the diversity they aeek.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Wow. I didn’t realize that study group formation was limited by race.

You’re wrong. They’re not limited by race, but they typically are limited by invitation. If there are preconceived notions based on stereotypes, then it will limit those invitations.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

Wow. I didn’t realize that study group formation was limited by race.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what's coming next:

"The University of Virginia, for example, announced a plan this month to target 40 high schools in eight regions of the state that had little history of sending applicants."

New York Times article, 6/30

This is good, as long as they select the top students from these under represented schools instead of using race as a determining factor.

Anonymous wrote:There are SO MANY colleges and universities that have developed methods of getting diversity other than the specific style that Harvard used. (University of Texas being a good example.) This is not going to be the big shift that some of you think it will be.
And yes as PP said, UVA has been very open for years that they are looking for geographic diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

Over the years I’ve met a handful of Black UVA graduates from the mid to late aughts and none of them seemed to really love their experience at the school. Their feedback ranged from middling to lukewarm. I wouldn’t underestimate the lure of alternate college choices combined with the decrease in Black students accelerating the decline.

Ya. I can't really imagine that many black students have UVA as their top choice. Charlottesville is almost literally the center of white supremacy.

Agreed. We are POC and I am actively dissuading DD from applying to UVA (despite having the stats to be admitted).

Anonymous wrote:When California abolished raced based college admission in public schools, they tried to use low income as a proxy. But it failed. They found out the state had more low income Whites than low income Blacks and low Hispanics combined. As a result, percentages of Black students and Hispanic students both dropped.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

I’m curious what kind of program this was. I read an interesting article earlier this year about a white professor who noticed a similar trend in his intro class for a STEM program (I do not remember the specific discipline). What he also discovered was that the few Black students in his class were often left out of study groups formed by their classmates. When he started forming the study groups which included the Black students, there was little to no discernible trend in student performance based on race.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.

I was a graduate student at UVA in the early 90s. As part of our RA duties we would meet with the professor when he went over the exam grades. It was eye opening to me to see that the bottom 5-10% of the class were almost always black students, and the majority were well below average. These were anonymously graded exams. It became very clear that a large percentage of the black students simply weren’t qualified to be there. I felt sorry for the 25% of the black kids who absolutely belonged there; I’m sure people assumed they were unqualified. Of course UVA, like most “prestigious” schools, graduates almost everyone who gets in, so the majority still earned degrees. I’m curious if this kind of data caused UVA to be a little more careful in who they accepted later on.

Anonymous wrote:When California abolished raced based college admission in public schools, they tried to use low income as a proxy. But it failed. They found out the state had more low income Whites than low income Blacks and low Hispanics combined. As a result, percentages of Black students and Hispanic students both dropped.

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Anonymous wrote:So does my white son have an easier or harder time getting into UVA today?

UVA is majority White and Asian. There are only 6% Blacks and 6% Hispanics. Your white son will do just fine just like all the other white men in this country who have been doing great for the past few centuries.

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-virginia-main-campus/student-life/diversity/

Just say it's majority White. Asians only comprise of 15% of the whole student body.

Which is more than 2x their proportion of the population nationally and statewide.

Exactly. And blacks are only 28% of the nation.

Libidiots always leave these pieces of math out.

If you compare the demographics of the state, University of Virginia has about the same or slightly fewer White students than you would expect based on state demographics, nearly double the Asian students you would expect based on state demographics, and only 1/2 of the Black population you would expect. So for all the memorials to the enslaved people who built the universities and gave labor to the founders of the universities and currently pay state taxes that help support the universities, only half as many Black students as there are proportionately in the state get to attend the flagship university.

I am not happy with the SC decision, however I was thinking UVA will most likely have a difficult time to ever match the % of Black students to their population in the state. How many top Black students choose HBCU’s over UVA? How many Black students do not want to attend a “Southern” university? How many Black students are discouraged from even applying to UVA?

I graduated from UVA in 1998 when it was 12% Black. One of the reasons I chose to attend was because the Black population mimicked that of the US. I have no idea why the percentage of Black students has fallen so much since then and it's sad, but I can assure you it's not because more chose to attend an HBCU or didn't want to attend a "Southern" university.