Anonymous wrote:I personally hate people who hid their identity.

I don’t want to work at a place or do business with you if I don’t fit in.

I will say I am blank, I live in blank, I am married my wife is blank, I have three kids. Heck I don’t care you know my religion, age, sex life, what car I drive. I am cool with sharing everything.

I got a resume today. Was a name I can’t tell what it is, had no home address, had a cell number and throw away gmail.

People hide so much.

Not everyone has the kind of life story that they can just share. Or that you would want them to share.

Maybe we should start including genitalia pictures instead of signature blocks, just so there’s no confusion.

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Anonymous wrote:Just call people by their names.

Chicuil is traveling next week. Please help chicuil update chicuil’s travel card. Chicuil’s travel card stopped working when chicuil was traveling last month. Please contact Chicuil at chicuil’s mobile phone because Chicuil will not have access to chicuil’s computer until Chicuil arrives at the hotel.

Great solution! Thanks!

Who taught you to write?

Last month when Chicuil was traveling their travel card stopped working. They will be traveling next week, so please update the card before x date. If you need to contact them directly for more information the cell phone number is 867-5309. Please be aware that computer access will be limited during first days of travel, so call them if anything comes up. Thanks!

Hey I just called that number and Chicuil is not answering.

That $&@! Chicuil…. Always skirting their responsibilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is not stating pronouns all of the sudden a problem? If yours are nonobvious, state them.

As PPs said, it’s about making it less awkward for people who have nonobvious ones.

There are also people who are not comfortable changing them yet and feel forced to either out themselves or share pronouns they don’t like.

The way to make people feel supported is to SUPPORT THEM. Make a caring inclusive environment for people. Forced pronoun sharing doesn’t make people more supportive. In fact, it just pisses them off and causes more problems.

Forced speech that invades privacy just sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

It’s clear you just have WASP friends/coworker because even sarah is not obviously female to people from other countries.

So what? Why does it matter what Sarah's gender is? And why would people from other counties care? Many tend to hold conservative/sexist gender rules anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Just call people by their names.

Chicuil is traveling next week. Please help chicuil update chicuil’s travel card. Chicuil’s travel card stopped working when chicuil was traveling last month. Please contact Chicuil at chicuil’s mobile phone because Chicuil will not have access to chicuil’s computer until Chicuil arrives at the hotel.

Great solution! Thanks!

Who taught you to write?

Last month when Chicuil was traveling their travel card stopped working. They will be traveling next week, so please update the card before x date. If you need to contact them directly for more information the cell phone number is 867-5309. Please be aware that computer access will be limited during first days of travel, so call them if anything comes up. Thanks!

Hey I just called that number and Chicuil is not answering.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't forcing people to do this also be a micro-aggression?

I will never understand this sort of thing. Many of us don't even use email signature files at work.

Following standards is not a micro-aggression.

These are new "standards" Nobody said your pronouns before now!

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have mine listed in my email signature, though they are on my business cards. (I should have them in my signature; I just keep forgetting.) It’s important for cisgender people to proactively give their pronouns so that trans people aren’t the only ones giving theirs. If it becomes normalized to share pronouns proactively, then trans people who aren’t totally comfortable telling everyone they’re trans (which is reasonable, given the state of trans rights) will be able to let everyone know their pronouns without having to go out of their way or be singled out.

This is insanity. Just because you feel the need to share pronouns why do you feel the need to force others? Who cares if others are uncomfortable? That's your argument.

Why do pronouns matter at work? In my field, it's irrelevant. Our team is international, many people with first names I've no idea the gender of like Kaosisochukwu. Just do the job and move on with the day.

Anonymous wrote:If I were penalized for not sharing pronouns, I would sue. This crap is getting out of hand.

You do not have to share any GD pronouns. It's your right to privacy.

PRECISELY

I’m about done with all of this. I think we should switch to they/their/them for everyone. The overwhelming majority of jobs, a person’s gender (biological or preferred), makes absolutely no difference. There’s long been discrimination against women. Now, there’s the concern about discrimination against trans. It was bad enough when you had to consider if a woman wanted to be addressed as Miss/Mrs. or Ms. Now we have to keep track of everyone’s pronouns. I have enough problems keeping faces and names straight. Not to mention, I find it irksome that we have to be so sensitive to identifying people as they wish, but apparently now, I can no longer identify aw simply a woman. Somewhere along the way, society decided I was a cis-woman and forgot to ask my preference.

I vote we switch to first initial, last name, and neutral pronouns for everyone. Maybe then we can stop worrying about the problems the more complicated forms of address cause, and get down to business, which is presumably what a workplace is for.

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Anonymous wrote:Just call people by their names.

Chicuil is traveling next week. Please help chicuil update chicuil’s travel card. Chicuil’s travel card stopped working when chicuil was traveling last month. Please contact Chicuil at chicuil’s mobile phone because Chicuil will not have access to chicuil’s computer until Chicuil arrives at the hotel.

Great solution! Thanks!

Who taught you to write?

Last month when Chicuil was traveling their travel card stopped working. They will be traveling next week, so please update the card before x date. If you need to contact them directly for more information the cell phone number is 867-5309. Please be aware that computer access will be limited during first days of travel, so call them if anything comes up. Thanks!

If I were penalized for not sharing pronouns, I would sue. This crap is getting out of hand.

You do not have to share any GD pronouns. It's your right to privacy.

Anonymous wrote:OMG, like it harms you to be respectful of other people, especially in such a way that will take 3 minutes to set up in your signature and then give no more thought to it.

OMG, like it harms you to be respectful of other people that don’t choose to speak the same way you do.

OPo you work at King Louie XIV's Palace of Versailles ?

Let's all focus on political correctness so nobody has any time to get work done. Great plan.