Anonymous wrote:Only easily fooled and unintelligent dolts own Teslas. A Tesla is – hands down – the penultimate display of virtue signaling American greed, save only for the innate and so easily chastised stupidity of those that might choose to acquire them.

Teslas arguably possess the greatest [metropolitan] blind spot of any production vehicle in existence. Owners so smugly strut about with unjustified form, while remaining totally oblivious to the true impacts of their obesemobiles to both the climate and to society.

Wait until you learn about bmw drivers.

Anonymous wrote:Only easily fooled and unintelligent dolts own Teslas. A Tesla is – hands down – the penultimate display of virtue signaling American greed, save only for the innate and so easily chastised stupidity of those that might choose to acquire them.

Teslas arguably possess the greatest [metropolitan] blind spot of any production vehicle in existence. Owners so smugly strut about with unjustified form, while remaining totally oblivious to the true impacts of their obesemobiles to both the climate and to society.

OK, I bought an ID.4, but this seems unhinged. What's all this about a blind spot? What's all this about the impact on climate?

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Anonymous wrote:How many people who can afford/want to drive a tesla actually qualify for the tax breaks though. The limits are too low.

What’s the limit?

maximum of $300,000 for a household, $150,000 for an individual or $225,000 for a head of household.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147209505/electric-car-tax-credit-climate-bill-tesla-volkswagen-ev

I am never certain, though, if it means AGI or just gross.

An income test for a car tax break is so messed up. So I should pay more for a car bc I make more? We already have a progressive tax system to allegedly make it “fair”. Making a car tax break only available to low income is basically me subsidizing them buying a more expensive car than they can otherwise afford. It’s BS.

Welcome to the communism of the democratic party. YOU get a car! And YOU get a car! EVERYBODY GETS A CAR!*

*offeres excludes evil rich people making over 300k

Why are those evil rich people upset about a tax break that is less than 1% of their income? Do you really not have other worries

Only easily fooled and unintelligent dolts own Teslas. A Tesla is – hands down – the penultimate display of virtue signaling American greed, save only for the innate and so easily chastised stupidity of those that might choose to acquire them.

Teslas arguably possess the greatest [metropolitan] blind spot of any production vehicle in existence. Owners so smugly strut about with unjustified form, while remaining totally oblivious to the true impacts of their obesemobiles to both the climate and to society.

Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

I bought my Model Y 1.5yrs ago so it was slightly higher but not drastically so. I don't know that I feel I overpaid because I bought it at at time I didn't have to wait based on inventory. Everything has a trade off. I love my car and I think Musk is a lunatic. Both things can be true. I'm more pissed about my Tesla stock fluctuation which I've had much longer than the car itself.

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

That's not how tax credits work. Tax credits work on your income taxes, not the price of the vehicle.

It is not lowering the price of the vehicle. You still pay the same amount as everyone else (more if you finance).

I think everyone knows that (including me, the pp you are responding to). The *effective cost* to me (and everyone else that qualifies) would be about $32,500 regardless of whether I pay that to Tesla or I pay Tesla full price and someone else (the IRS) cuts me a check for $7,500. My point was simply that the Tesla was NOT $23K for everyone who qualified. It is $32,500. A few people in specific states may get additional tax credits. The exception here is leasing where the tax credit IS baked into the price on which the lease payments are based.

Anonymous wrote:Don't have Tesla and no plans to get one, but amused at the histrionics over Musk because he dared buy Twitter and allowed more free speech and less censorship on it. Your antipathy says a great deal more about you as a hyperpartisan progressive who embraces censorship and stiffling freedom of speech of those you disagree with (yes, you do. Just admit it).

As it is, keeping an eye out at other electric vehicles as more are being rolled out by all the brands.

Yes, he is obviously a real liberty advocate who would never “stiffle” free speech, not him.

https://www.thefire.org/news/twitter-no-free-speech-haven-under-elon-musk

Trump is a poor man’s conception of a rich man, and Musk is a stupid person’s conception of a genius.

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

That's not how tax credits work. Tax credits work on your income taxes, not the price of the vehicle.

It is not lowering the price of the vehicle. You still pay the same amount as everyone else (more if you finance).

Who friggin cares? Big whoop, take the difference in income tax and pay a lump sum towards the car. Such pointless minutae over semantics.

It's not semantics when you are telling people that you can buy a Tesla for 23k. Or even 32k. The price of the car does not change.

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

That's not how tax credits work. Tax credits work on your income taxes, not the price of the vehicle.

It is not lowering the price of the vehicle. You still pay the same amount as everyone else (more if you finance).

Who friggin cares? Big whoop, take the difference in income tax and pay a lump sum towards the car. Such pointless minutae over semantics.

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Anonymous wrote:For the model 3 after tax breaks. How do the people who overpaid feel?

No, it's not! The cheapest list price is $38,030 (without adding in taxes and other BS charges Tesla adds). tax credits are $7,500 which takes it down to about $32,500 (plus taxes and Tesla BS fees).

That's not how tax credits work. Tax credits work on your income taxes, not the price of the vehicle.

It is not lowering the price of the vehicle. You still pay the same amount as everyone else (more if you finance).

Don't have Tesla and no plans to get one, but amused at the histrionics over Musk because he dared buy Twitter and allowed more free speech and less censorship on it. Your antipathy says a great deal more about you as a hyperpartisan progressive who embraces censorship and stiffling freedom of speech of those you disagree with (yes, you do. Just admit it).

As it is, keeping an eye out at other electric vehicles as more are being rolled out by all the brands.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

DH claims the technology will be outdated v soon.

pp here.. yea, DH says the same, that the technology is going to change rapidly in a few years because of the push now for EVs. He thinks we are not quite there yet for EVs to be worth it.

Personally, I don't like the idea of relying on all electric or all gas. I like the idea of a hybrid phev but they have both evs and regular cars issues since they use both types of tech.

What to do? Need a car next year. Our old car is not going to last much longer.

Just stick to an IC car. Tried and tested. Battery/Alternative tech will be much more evolved in about 10 years for your next car.

There are tried and tested PHEV's out there. I have one. Best of both current worlds.

Haven't done the research but recall reading on another thread that the premium price on a PHEVs is unwarranted. Not sure how true that is.

Also, what happens if down the road the battery dies. Can I operate the car with just the gasoline component or would it shut down altogether?

Volt PP here. So, from what I understand-no, not if the hybrid battery dies completely. I'm not really sure because, from what I've read on forums and online, it's pretty rare. I don't know how rare or not that is in regards to other PHEV's. You CAN drive it if the battery degrades over time (all will at some point).

From the Prius and the Volt having both been around for some time-the batteries seem to last way longer than anyone thought they would in the beginning.

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Anonymous wrote:I told DH we should look into it, but he's adamant that it's not worth it because of how much it would cost to fix it if it has issues or there's an accident, and it's more expensive to insure.

DH claims the technology will be outdated v soon.

pp here.. yea, DH says the same, that the technology is going to change rapidly in a few years because of the push now for EVs. He thinks we are not quite there yet for EVs to be worth it.

Personally, I don't like the idea of relying on all electric or all gas. I like the idea of a hybrid phev but they have both evs and regular cars issues since they use both types of tech.

What to do? Need a car next year. Our old car is not going to last much longer.

Just stick to an IC car. Tried and tested. Battery/Alternative tech will be much more evolved in about 10 years for your next car.

There are tried and tested PHEV's out there. I have one. Best of both current worlds.

Haven't done the research but recall reading on another thread that the premium price on a PHEVs is unwarranted. Not sure how true that is.

Also, what happens if down the road the battery dies. Can I operate the car with just the gasoline component or would it shut down altogether?