Anonymous
06/04/2023 23:23
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, it seems like there needs to be some very serious new regulation of children who appear, or in this case star, in reality shows.
Hmmm there’s a big push among Republicans to relax child labor laws.
+1
And to lower the legal age for marriage, or eliminate any minimum age.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 23:17
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:This series, and the documentary that came out a few months ago on Hulu about the Falwells (God Forbid) have really opened my eyes to how deeply the so-called Christian right have infiltrated our political system. What they want is no less than theocracy. They really are like the Taliban. And of course they are led by giant hypocrites who are manipulating others for money and power. They are a huge threat to our democracy and our country’s values and we need to wake up and push back against this.
And for those who say it is “Christian bashing” well yes, it is if THIS is Christianity. If it’s not, then those who profess to be Christians who don’t agree with this also need to push back on this because the evangelical branding is taking over your religion.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 23:16
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This series, and the documentary that came out a few months ago on Hulu about the Falwells (God Forbid) have really opened my eyes to how deeply the so-called Christian right have infiltrated our political system. What they want is no less than theocracy. They really are like the Taliban. And of course they are led by giant hypocrites who are manipulating others for money and power. They are a huge threat to our democracy and our country’s values and we need to wake up and push back against this.
And for those who say it is “Christian bashing” well yes, it is if THIS is Christianity. If it’s not, then those who profess to be Christians who don’t agree with this also need to push back on this because the evangelical branding is taking over your religion.
How, exactly would progressive Christians effectively "push back" against evangelicals? They consider us misguided heathens and wouldn't listen to us any more than they would listen to Muslims. We are on opposite sides of the culture wars and see each other as enemies. If you paint all Christians with the same brush, that's your misunderstanding and you'd be well served by educating yourself.
A theocracy is infiltrating our legislature, our laws, our medical care, and and our schools. It's becoming very hard to tell what kind of Christian is what. Right now, Christianity is taking over and most everyone isn't going to stop to ask what kind you might be. Are you out there fighting this? If not- why not. If you are, what are you doing to stop it?
Or don’t. Like I said, I just don’t want to hear people complaining about “Christian bashing” when we complain about the evangelicals, because basically evangelicals appear to be the mainstream form of Christianity in 2023 and those people deserve to be bashed.
The Duggars do not represent mainstream Christianity, they are part of the quiver full movement that is more like a cult
Evangelicals do not oppose contraception, neither do the Catholics, despite what the pope says
Many sects in conservative Protestant Christianity oppose birth control. As does the Catholic Church.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 23:14
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Also, it seems like there needs to be some very serious new regulation of children who appear, or in this case star, in reality shows.
Hmmm there’s a big push among Republicans to relax child labor laws.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 22:06
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is it about this family that makes you hate them so much?
Just don’t watch the show
There are plenty of weirdo’s
I don’t hate the family at all. I feel sorry for most of them (not Josh or Jim Bob though). And I feel scared about the ways the culture they endorse has the potential to injure people.
Michelle Duggar is complicit.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 21:40
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The other thing that is amazing is how the authorities have allowed this subpar homeschooling to go on all over the country. They have an obligation to these kids and they have failed them.
You can thank the Home School Legal Defense Association for essentially completely de-regulating homeschooling! Now people can use whatever TF “curriculum” they want and it totally counts as school, and no one can say boo to them about it.
+1 More details on that here from an article in the wake of the Turpin family case - the 13 kids whose parents abused them horrifically. I don’t know if there was an ATI/IBLP connection with them but they were Pentecostal and if it looks like a Duggar and walks like a Duggar, chances are it’s a Duggar.
Whoops link here: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2018/02/a-california-couple-abused-their-13-kids-and-weak-homeschooling-rules-helped-them-do-it/
Anonymous
06/04/2023 21:39
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The other thing that is amazing is how the authorities have allowed this subpar homeschooling to go on all over the country. They have an obligation to these kids and they have failed them.
You can thank the Home School Legal Defense Association for essentially completely de-regulating homeschooling! Now people can use whatever TF “curriculum” they want and it totally counts as school, and no one can say boo to them about it.
+1 More details on that here from an article in the wake of the Turpin family case - the 13 kids whose parents abused them horrifically. I don’t know if there was an ATI/IBLP connection with them but they were Pentecostal and if it looks like a Duggar and walks like a Duggar, chances are it’s a Duggar.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 21:31
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:the joshua generation movement stuff scares me and explains a lot about our current political climate.
That part was interesting but I didn’t understand how it related to the Duggars.
Josh worked for Family Research Council in DC and if his deviance wasn’t uncovered, most likely would have run for office. His younger brother tried and failed since then. The Duggars are very much politically minded.
Yeah I was shocked to learn that Jim Bob failed to win a state senate seat in Arkansas. He’s basically the Trump-loving MAGA base distilled to its purest form and yet he still lost in one of the most conservative states in the U.S. How did that happen?
I’m fairly sure he lost the primary, so it’s not like he lost to a liberal democrat.
He did lose the primary. It’s easy to lose a primary when you’re running for office while your son is on trial for possessing child sexual abuse material.
Apparently one of the younger boys did legit lose an election to a democrat though so maybe there’s hope?
Anonymous
06/04/2023 21:25
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've watched the first two episodes. It's helpful to understand the IBLP and the Duggars.
What's not explained, IMO, is how prevalent spanking was and is. Clearly the IBLP facilitates abuse, but this is only possible because abuse is so normalized in our society.
They definitely get into this with more detail, I binged everything at once but it was probably the third episode.
What? Episode two was horrible and hard to watch. It very clearly discusses the abuse: blanket training, “encouragement”, and modeled how to hit the child and then smile and hug. The part about the woman struggling with her 14 MONTH OLD was horrible.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 21:23
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
I really didn’t know that the kids didn’t make ANY money off the show. That’s messed up.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 18:40
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is now available on prime. Anybody watching? So far seems to be pretty well done. It starts out a little light hearted poking fun at the IBLP and rise of the Duggars and then took a serious turn now that they’re talking specifically about Josh.
Not a lot of new information but really enjoying hearing the first hand perspectives.
I'm almost through the second episode, and as someone who casually watched some of the early Duggar shows, I think there's a lot of new information. Or at least, a lot of context around their religious beliefs. Freaking "eye traps" just about killed me.
As someone who hatewatched the show and the early specials when they were originally on and read the comments on TWOP and other TV forums, I didn’t learn much that was new except the Generation Joshua stuff. However this really did a great job of pulling everything together and presenting it. Long overdue IMO - someone could have done the rest of this without Jill years ago. It looks like Jinger is breaking free as well with the book but maybe not in time to appear in this.
Also yes the Generation Joshua stuff is terrifying and having followed Cawthorn fairly closely - I even knew he went to Patrick Henry - I can’t believe I didn’t make the connection to these crazies. I would watch a whole documentary just with that former SCOTUS clerk guy.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 18:22
Subject: Re:Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Amy still milking the Duggar name!
Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?
I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 18:17
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:I've watched the first two episodes. It's helpful to understand the IBLP and the Duggars.
What's not explained, IMO, is how prevalent spanking was and is. Clearly the IBLP facilitates abuse, but this is only possible because abuse is so normalized in our society.
They definitely get into this with more detail, I binged everything at once but it was probably the third episode.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 18:16
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, it seems like there needs to be some very serious new regulation of children who appear, or in this case star, in reality shows.
I don’t disagree, but Jill Duggar was an adult when she signed the production contract with her father.
I remember when Jill and Derrick left the show. Derrick had made some remarks about a trans child from a different TLC show. It seemed odd to gloss over that, and make it sound like it was completely Jill and Derrick’s choice to leave, because I think (or at least there was heavy speculation) that their departure was related to that.
As another poster pointed out, “some of the TLC contracts were signed by her parents and she was listed as a minor even though she was not a minor anymore.”
If true that is INSANITY for a billion dollar company like Discovery to be signing contracts obligating people who are no longer minors that are still calling them minors.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 18:14
Subject: Duggar family documentary coming to Prime
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:the joshua generation movement stuff scares me and explains a lot about our current political climate.
That part was interesting but I didn’t understand how it related to the Duggars.
Josh worked for Family Research Council in DC and if his deviance wasn’t uncovered, most likely would have run for office. His younger brother tried and failed since then. The Duggars are very much politically minded.
Yeah I was shocked to learn that Jim Bob failed to win a state senate seat in Arkansas. He’s basically the Trump-loving MAGA base distilled to its purest form and yet he still lost in one of the most conservative states in the U.S. How did that happen?
I’m fairly sure he lost the primary, so it’s not like he lost to a liberal democrat.
He did lose the primary. It’s easy to lose a primary when you’re running for office while your son is on trial for possessing child sexual abuse material.