Anonymous
07/18/2023 21:26
Subject: Gosselins
If you don’t have a special needs child with severe emotional problems, you just can’t understand. I’m not a Kate fan—I think putting your kids on reality TV is proof of bad parenting—but I barely have time to help my survival needs child and I only have two. There was NO WAY she could deal with seven other kids. It’s easy to parent SPED kids until you have one; then it’s damn near impossible.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 21:12
Subject: Re:Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Last week Jon posted a pic of all the sextuplets as little kids and captioned it, “happy birthday to ALL my kids”…ouch!
It's interesting because Mady, Cara, and the two girl sextuplets that stayed with Kate did a live not too long ago and said that the public shouldn't believe what they heard about the cause of the rift. This was shortly after Collin did that interview. They didn't elaborate but did say that no, the "Kate kids" do not interact with the "Jon kids" and vice versa. Jon doesn't see any of the kids who live with Kate. Kate doesn't see the kids that live with Jon either.
Terribly sad. All Mady would say is that there are things the public will never know for the reasons for what went down.
So, basically, this is either a textbook example of parental poisoning and what happens when a select group stops believing the poisoning lies, OR something majorly nefarious went down that caused Kate to expel Collin and then later Hannah.
It was clearly Kate who expelled Collin but from what I've read it was Hannah's decision to move in with Jon. Kate didn't "expel" Hannah, it actually seemed to be more of Hannah expelling Kate, although Hannah has indicated that she and Kate are not totally estranged. Also, Kate showed up at H & C's high school graduation in PA, but only interacted with Hannah.
Collin was only 12 when Kate sent him away- what the heck could be so nefarious that a 12 year old could do for his mother to 'expel' him? In a loving family, I can't think of anything. I have a 12 year old, and even if they did something truly truly horrible, I would still maintain contact! Maybe at a distance, but cutting my own flesh and blood off entirely, especially at age TWELVE, just doesn't compute. I'm thinking of something like murder...but if Collin truly did do something that horrible, you'd think that would have gotten out to the media, no?
Long way of saying...I don't think anything majorly nefarious went down, I think Kate is just a narcissist and Collin wasn't afraid to call her out on her BS and that is just not ok in Kate's world. So he had to be gone. Just like Aunt Jodi and her husband, just like Beth Carson, just like her parents...
I don’t know what happened in their family, clearly there is a lot of dysfunction there. However, there are things that a young child can do that can make it unsafe to maintain a relationship with them, this happened with my nephew. He had to be institutionalized at @ age 12 because he was psychopathic, he killed the family cat, abused both his siblings and attempted to harm every member of his family. While my sister and her husband did attempt to maintain a relationship with him once the extent of his terrible issues came to light they really couldn’t any longer and it was a heartbreaking situation.
Yes, my guess would be something like sex abuse of a sibling. That's significant enough to cause these types of family rifts for a variety of reasons.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 21:05
Subject: Re:Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Last week Jon posted a pic of all the sextuplets as little kids and captioned it, “happy birthday to ALL my kids”…ouch!
It's interesting because Mady, Cara, and the two girl sextuplets that stayed with Kate did a live not too long ago and said that the public shouldn't believe what they heard about the cause of the rift. This was shortly after Collin did that interview. They didn't elaborate but did say that no, the "Kate kids" do not interact with the "Jon kids" and vice versa. Jon doesn't see any of the kids who live with Kate. Kate doesn't see the kids that live with Jon either.
Terribly sad. All Mady would say is that there are things the public will never know for the reasons for what went down.
So, basically, this is either a textbook example of parental poisoning and what happens when a select group stops believing the poisoning lies, OR something majorly nefarious went down that caused Kate to expel Collin and then later Hannah.
It was clearly Kate who expelled Collin but from what I've read it was Hannah's decision to move in with Jon. Kate didn't "expel" Hannah, it actually seemed to be more of Hannah expelling Kate, although Hannah has indicated that she and Kate are not totally estranged. Also, Kate showed up at H & C's high school graduation in PA, but only interacted with Hannah.
Collin was only 12 when Kate sent him away- what the heck could be so nefarious that a 12 year old could do for his mother to 'expel' him? In a loving family, I can't think of anything. I have a 12 year old, and even if they did something truly truly horrible, I would still maintain contact! Maybe at a distance, but cutting my own flesh and blood off entirely, especially at age TWELVE, just doesn't compute. I'm thinking of something like murder...but if Collin truly did do something that horrible, you'd think that would have gotten out to the media, no?
Long way of saying...I don't think anything majorly nefarious went down, I think Kate is just a narcissist and Collin wasn't afraid to call her out on her BS and that is just not ok in Kate's world. So he had to be gone. Just like Aunt Jodi and her husband, just like Beth Carson, just like her parents...
Josh Duggar is one example of why a 12 yr old should be sent away from siblings and get serious behavior therapy. You are very naive to think a 12 yr old can't do horrendous things to their siblings and other family members, pets, etc. Kate visited him at the institution, we really don't know what happened.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 21:05
Subject: Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Collin abused the siblings in some way. The other siblings are still so angry at him and have no desire to reconcile.
I wonder that, too. Mady was asked about him in a TikTok live, and responded only with something along the lines of “people with different values grow apart, sometimes people have incompatible values, just because people are related doesn’t mean they will like each other”
She did a live with Hannah, and interestingly they said they have never been estranged and talk every day.
This sounds like Mady is repeating what she heard Kate say. Colin got sent away when he was very young, what different values would he have?
He committed the cardinal sin of crossing Kate.
I think it's that simple.
agree. and he probably reminded her too much of her ex husband. shame on Collin for existing and looking just like his dad!
You know, there is something to be said for this theory - as some parents favor the kids that look like them, and shun the ones that look/act like the other parent/side. It is a big deal. If this is the case, Kate should be utterly ashamed.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 20:52
Subject: Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find it unbelievable that those children worked their entire childhoods and they have to take out loans for higher education. I saw a leaked tax return that said they made over $1 million in 2008. They should all have plenty of money for college and then some. A forensic accountant needs to go through the financials since the beginning of the show to see where all of that money went.
We know where the money went. Kate used it to live on and pay for their private schools and her security.
I can't believe that I'm defending Kate Gosselin, but do you remember what the frenzy and paparazzi situation surrounding both Kate and Jon Gosselin was like around the time of their divorce? With Jon going on yachts with that French designer who made those hideous tattoo shirts? It was totally bonkers. I can't blame her for putting the kids in private school during that time and for having to pay for security.
Jon in those Ed Hardy shirts, partying with Hailey Glassman on the yachts! Jon was a big dating mess with younger woman and welcomed the paparazzi attention. He was picking up young women at the ski resort while he was still married to Kate and doing the show, sometimes while Cara and Mady were with him. More recently he had a fiance but Jon left her when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Jon wasn't concerned about his children's security. He's a man child.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 15:49
Subject: Re:Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cara graduated from Fordham with a double major in Econ & Math and works in investment banking.
Wow! Good for her.
her parents will pouch her money soon enough
Anonymous
07/18/2023 15:39
Subject: Re:Gosselins
I’m almost embarrassed to admit it but I read the book about Kate that came out about 10 years ago or so. She’s had issues with Colin since he was a toddler and he received the brunt of her discipline/spankings. Whether he does have a diagnosed disorder or he was just a rambunctious child and negative traits were exacerbated by Kate’s behavior, it’s been going on for a long time.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 15:20
Subject: Gosselins
I think it seems pretty intuitive that in a family of eight children, six of whom were born at the same time, it is unlikely that even an intact family can effectively handle a child who has serious, chronic, emotional issues, much less a divorced couple. Hell, I think it would be a lot even if you had three kids, much less eight. The system would be overtaxed, and the emotional resources were not there or were likely not enough. They didn't have it. I can't judge her for what she felt she had to do, she has to live with it and I suspect it was a source of pain. We're not all mother Theresa. It was likely an overwhelming situation, whatever it was. And her son, if troubled, may have enraged her, it's true. Jon had too many issues as well, both were limited people emotionally and both were lacking empathy and strikingly damaged in their own ways. Their predicament made their limitations worse. It's tragic.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 12:24
Subject: Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find it unbelievable that those children worked their entire childhoods and they have to take out loans for higher education. I saw a leaked tax return that said they made over $1 million in 2008. They should all have plenty of money for college and then some. A forensic accountant needs to go through the financials since the beginning of the show to see where all of that money went.
We know where the money went. Kate used it to live on and pay for their private schools and her security.
I can't believe that I'm defending Kate Gosselin, but do you remember what the frenzy and paparazzi situation surrounding both Kate and Jon Gosselin was like around the time of their divorce? With Jon going on yachts with that French designer who made those hideous tattoo shirts? It was totally bonkers. I can't blame her for putting the kids in private school during that time and for having to pay for security.
You don’t need to be defensive. I was providing an explanation to the PP where the money the kids earned went.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 12:13
Subject: Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hannah and Collin will be featured on a show called "The Dark Side of the 2000s" next week and discuss the estranged relationship between Kate and Collin. I plan to watch.
https://www.today.com/parents/celebrity/collin-gosselin-kate-gosselin-vice-rcna93561
They should not be allowed to do this.
Why? They are both adults- recently turned 19.
That's legality. Emotionally they are children. They should not talk publicly to strangers about their family. A therapist? Sure. Friends? Sure. Strangers all over the world? No.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 12:12
Subject: Re:Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Last week Jon posted a pic of all the sextuplets as little kids and captioned it, “happy birthday to ALL my kids”…ouch!
It's interesting because Mady, Cara, and the two girl sextuplets that stayed with Kate did a live not too long ago and said that the public shouldn't believe what they heard about the cause of the rift. This was shortly after Collin did that interview. They didn't elaborate but did say that no, the "Kate kids" do not interact with the "Jon kids" and vice versa. Jon doesn't see any of the kids who live with Kate. Kate doesn't see the kids that live with Jon either.
Terribly sad. All Mady would say is that there are things the public will never know for the reasons for what went down.
So, basically, this is either a textbook example of parental poisoning and what happens when a select group stops believing the poisoning lies, OR something majorly nefarious went down that caused Kate to expel Collin and then later Hannah.
It was clearly Kate who expelled Collin but from what I've read it was Hannah's decision to move in with Jon. Kate didn't "expel" Hannah, it actually seemed to be more of Hannah expelling Kate, although Hannah has indicated that she and Kate are not totally estranged. Also, Kate showed up at H & C's high school graduation in PA, but only interacted with Hannah.
Collin was only 12 when Kate sent him away- what the heck could be so nefarious that a 12 year old could do for his mother to 'expel' him? In a loving family, I can't think of anything. I have a 12 year old, and even if they did something truly truly horrible, I would still maintain contact! Maybe at a distance, but cutting my own flesh and blood off entirely, especially at age TWELVE, just doesn't compute. I'm thinking of something like murder...but if Collin truly did do something that horrible, you'd think that would have gotten out to the media, no?
Long way of saying...I don't think anything majorly nefarious went down, I think Kate is just a narcissist and Collin wasn't afraid to call her out on her BS and that is just not ok in Kate's world. So he had to be gone. Just like Aunt Jodi and her husband, just like Beth Carson, just like her parents...
I don’t know what happened in their family, clearly there is a lot of dysfunction there. However, there are things that a young child can do that can make it unsafe to maintain a relationship with them, this happened with my nephew. He had to be institutionalized at @ age 12 because he was psychopathic, he killed the family cat, abused both his siblings and attempted to harm every member of his family. While my sister and her husband did attempt to maintain a relationship with him once the extent of his terrible issues came to light they really couldn’t any longer and it was a heartbreaking situation.
Anonymous
07/18/2023 12:05
Subject: Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find it unbelievable that those children worked their entire childhoods and they have to take out loans for higher education. I saw a leaked tax return that said they made over $1 million in 2008. They should all have plenty of money for college and then some. A forensic accountant needs to go through the financials since the beginning of the show to see where all of that money went.
We know where the money went. Kate used it to live on and pay for their private schools and her security.
I can't believe that I'm defending Kate Gosselin, but do you remember what the frenzy and paparazzi situation surrounding both Kate and Jon Gosselin was like around the time of their divorce? With Jon going on yachts with that French designer who made those hideous tattoo shirts? It was totally bonkers. I can't blame her for putting the kids in private school during that time and for having to pay for security.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 22:41
Subject: Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:I find it unbelievable that those children worked their entire childhoods and they have to take out loans for higher education. I saw a leaked tax return that said they made over $1 million in 2008. They should all have plenty of money for college and then some. A forensic accountant needs to go through the financials since the beginning of the show to see where all of that money went.
We know where the money went. Kate used it to live on and pay for their private schools and her security.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 22:36
Subject: Gosselins
Where is the special on?
Anonymous
07/14/2023 21:24
Subject: Re:Gosselins
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Last week Jon posted a pic of all the sextuplets as little kids and captioned it, “happy birthday to ALL my kids”…ouch!
It's interesting because Mady, Cara, and the two girl sextuplets that stayed with Kate did a live not too long ago and said that the public shouldn't believe what they heard about the cause of the rift. This was shortly after Collin did that interview. They didn't elaborate but did say that no, the "Kate kids" do not interact with the "Jon kids" and vice versa. Jon doesn't see any of the kids who live with Kate. Kate doesn't see the kids that live with Jon either.
Terribly sad. All Mady would say is that there are things the public will never know for the reasons for what went down.
So, basically, this is either a textbook example of parental poisoning and what happens when a select group stops believing the poisoning lies, OR something majorly nefarious went down that caused Kate to expel Collin and then later Hannah.
It was clearly Kate who expelled Collin but from what I've read it was Hannah's decision to move in with Jon. Kate didn't "expel" Hannah, it actually seemed to be more of Hannah expelling Kate, although Hannah has indicated that she and Kate are not totally estranged. Also, Kate showed up at H & C's high school graduation in PA, but only interacted with Hannah.
Collin was only 12 when Kate sent him away- what the heck could be so nefarious that a 12 year old could do for his mother to 'expel' him? In a loving family, I can't think of anything. I have a 12 year old, and even if they did something truly truly horrible, I would still maintain contact! Maybe at a distance, but cutting my own flesh and blood off entirely, especially at age TWELVE, just doesn't compute. I'm thinking of something like murder...but if Collin truly did do something that horrible, you'd think that would have gotten out to the media, no?
Long way of saying...I don't think anything majorly nefarious went down, I think Kate is just a narcissist and Collin wasn't afraid to call her out on her BS and that is just not ok in Kate's world. So he had to be gone. Just like Aunt Jodi and her husband, just like Beth Carson, just like her parents...