Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 19:11     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m really impressed with Stuy’s college admissions. The major difference between the students at Stuy and a school line Sidwell is that the Sidwell kids are almost all hooked. Sidwell students are legacy and parents have likely donated $. Stuy kids are not hooked, not legacy and has a very large first gen and FARMs population. Not only are they not rich, they are poor, like they have to help support their families poor.


Come on, being First gen and low income IS hooked. It's a different kind of hook.


I'm a NYer and I think you overestimate how many Stuy kids are first gen. It's a small minority. Low-ish income: yes, many, but not Pell eligible. Second gen: sure, many, but that gets you thinking college-wise.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 18:51     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m really impressed with Stuy’s college admissions. The major difference between the students at Stuy and a school line Sidwell is that the Sidwell kids are almost all hooked. Sidwell students are legacy and parents have likely donated $. Stuy kids are not hooked, not legacy and has a very large first gen and FARMs population. Not only are they not rich, they are poor, like they have to help support their families poor.


Come on, being First gen and low income IS hooked. It's a different kind of hook.


There are many UMC kids at Stuy as well, including those who are legacies at top colleges. Elon Musk's niece was at Bronx Science last year and went to MIT. The school has 800 kids in each grade and there are several parents who spend more than 50k on college counseling. The school has several kids who apply through Questbridge. It truly is a mix. Many kids who attend Stuy and other specialized schools prep in Flushing chinatown and Manhattan Chinatown and prep centers. LMC Asian families use all these prep services to get into these schools.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 16:14     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m really impressed with Stuy’s college admissions. The major difference between the students at Stuy and a school line Sidwell is that the Sidwell kids are almost all hooked. Sidwell students are legacy and parents have likely donated $. Stuy kids are not hooked, not legacy and has a very large first gen and FARMs population. Not only are they not rich, they are poor, like they have to help support their families poor.


Come on, being First gen and low income IS hooked. It's a different kind of hook.


Yes. It is a different kind of hook.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 16:02     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:I’m really impressed with Stuy’s college admissions. The major difference between the students at Stuy and a school line Sidwell is that the Sidwell kids are almost all hooked. Sidwell students are legacy and parents have likely donated $. Stuy kids are not hooked, not legacy and has a very large first gen and FARMs population. Not only are they not rich, they are poor, like they have to help support their families poor.


Come on, being First gen and low income IS hooked. It's a different kind of hook.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 14:13     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t want to be misunderstood as not wanting to help kids from poor families. I totally support giving them scholarships, fellowships, financial aid, or just waive the tuition and even living expenses if their families can’t afford it. But that’s a totally separate issue from college admissions. First they have to be academically qualified. They shouldn’t be held to a lower academic standard than kids from “rich” families.


I think the problem is that you are defining "academic standards" as if that is easily defined, or untouched by white supremacy.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 14:11     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think a lot of people get it. Even before the Harvard case more and more colleges were already getting away from using race as an explicit factor, but were trending towards “socioeconomic” factors in college admissions. Some state schools like UC and U. Mich were doing it because of states’ ban on AA. But there is no ban on using “socioeconomic” factors.

A friend of mine is a law firm partner in an upscale area of San Diego. His own family was first generation immigrants from Eastern Europe and he grew up in a not-so-good area of NYC. He’s the typical American Dream success story—pulled himself up from bootstraps, worked hard and got an education. But he’s the one who told me that UC looks at applicant’s zip code and practices economic and geographic discrimination, even for in-state. Why should children be punished because their parents are hard working, successful, and live in a nice neighborhood?


Your rich white law partner friend could’ve afforded to live anywhere & chose to live in a rich, segregated neighborhood.

State schools exist to serve the entire state. That means having students from the entire state.


I really really don’t want to bring religion into this, but the “rich white law partner” is a first-generation US-born child of Jewish immigrants. I know a lot of you have the stereotypical notion that all Jews are born rich. In fact, his family came here with NOTHING. They barely survived WW2. He himself had worked before college and worked part time during college. Talking about hard work and achieving the American Dream.

So you think that UC is justified in punishing his kids just because of his hard work and success? Because he bought an old house overlooking the Pacific Ocean?


So let's math this out. His parents barely survived WWII and he was born here, so probably in the late 40s/early 50s. That means his own kids probably attended college in the late 90s/early 2000s. The kids applying to schools now are the *grandchildren* of Holocaust survivors.

You think that the *grandchildren* of people who experienced poverty should be given special treatment even if they and their parents grew up wealthy?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:35     Subject: Re:Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
I’ve realized that people who claim to be against AA on the basis that it’s racial discrimination are really just against any kind of institutional preferences that don’t directly privilege THEIR kid.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:28     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t want to be misunderstood as not wanting to help kids from poor families. I totally support giving them scholarships, fellowships, financial aid, or just waive the tuition and even living expenses if their families can’t afford it. But that’s a totally separate issue from college admissions. First they have to be academically qualified. They shouldn’t be held to a lower academic standard than kids from “rich” families.


But you understand the problem boils down to finances, right? Nature might have provided two kids with the same potential, but ultimately the rich kid has a MUCH higher likelihood of outperforming the poor kid. It is why I have a hard time with TJ wannabes crying foul when the majority of the complainers have been privately supplementing their children's education and the kid has never taking a standardized test he/she hasn't prepped for. And if the follow up complaint is that the poor parents should demand more of their local schools, that's sort of a red herring because it doesn't address the supplementing. Kids at Longfellow, whose AAP program is arguably one of the best in the county, still supplement and test prep.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:25     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t want to be misunderstood as not wanting to help kids from poor families. I totally support giving them scholarships, fellowships, financial aid, or just waive the tuition and even living expenses if their families can’t afford it. But that’s a totally separate issue from college admissions. First they have to be academically qualified. They shouldn’t be held to a lower academic standard than kids from “rich” families.


You don’t get to segregate yourself from the masses & then not face consequences for that in admissions. We have a problem in the US of too many people literally refusing to live in certain areas or send their kids to certain schools.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:23     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t want to be misunderstood as not wanting to help kids from poor families. I totally support giving them scholarships, fellowships, financial aid, or just waive the tuition and even living expenses if their families can’t afford it. But that’s a totally separate issue from college admissions. First they have to be academically qualified. They shouldn’t be held to a lower academic standard than kids from “rich” families.


Current measures of admissions such as standardized testing & extracurriculars are highly correlated with race and family income.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:21     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:Also, I don’t want to be misunderstood as not wanting to help kids from poor families. I totally support giving them scholarships, fellowships, financial aid, or just waive the tuition and even living expenses if their families can’t afford it. But that’s a totally separate issue from college admissions. First they have to be academically qualified. They shouldn’t be held to a lower academic standard than kids from “rich” families.


Nobody cares what you think. Some kids have had vastly more resources poured into them than others & have faced more challenges than others. Some kids have more unrealized potential than others. Public universities exist to serve the entire state, and should and do admit kids from every nook & cranny of that particular state.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:07     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Also, I don’t want to be misunderstood as not wanting to help kids from poor families. I totally support giving them scholarships, fellowships, financial aid, or just waive the tuition and even living expenses if their families can’t afford it. But that’s a totally separate issue from college admissions. First they have to be academically qualified. They shouldn’t be held to a lower academic standard than kids from “rich” families.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:03     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Regardless, the point I’m making is that intelligence has nothing to do with race.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:01     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let le warn all of you: after SCOTUS hands down the SFFA v. Harvard decision, colleges will be even more blatant practicing economic and geographical discrimination. UC has been punishing students from “rich” zip codes for years. It wouldn’t surprise me at all that a poor white or Asian kid might get preferential treatment over an upper middle class Black kid from an African immigrant family. FYI, the immigrant ethnic group that has the highest % of PhDs is not Indian or Chinese—it’s Nigerian.


You forgot to mention those PhD's are obtained out of the US. There are not more US gained PhDs from Nigeria. They get their PhD FROM Nigerian schools.


OK. Thanks for letting me know 😊
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 13:00     Subject: Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?
Could someone share TJ’s instagram or website with college admissions?