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Anonymous wrote:Hm, I don't think anyone is sneering about people losing feet, where did that come from? In my neck of the woods there are no shortages to these drugs. If there are in some places, those will likely get resolved.

I was the one "sneering" about losing feet I guess. Not the kindest way to phrase it but I am absolutely tired of type 2 diabetes patients acting as though those of us with obesity but not technically diabetic on paper because our metabolic disease hasn't yet progressed to the level theirs has are stealing their drugs or whatever. We're on the same spectrum of disease and have equal right to treat it. There are many A1C lowering drugs available when Ozempic is temporarily unable to be filled, several of them in the exact same class of medication that Ozempic is in. No diabetics need have uncontrolled blood sugar just because there is a shortage of semaglutide, and if they or their doctor are letting that happen then it's on them.

This isn't exactly true. Medications are approved for marketing for certain indications. Semaglutide under the brand name Ozempic is not approved for use in weight loss. Wegovy is approved for use for weight loss only in those who meet certain BMI thresholds. Ozempic therefore is technically/legally not approved for use in the case you are making. Off-label use of prescription medications is legal, but not necessarily considered ethical when a drug shortage impacts on-label use.

Additionally, you are countering your own argument. If there are other A1C lowering drugs in the same class of medications as Ozempic available, then you should also pursue those to meet your needs. More specifically, you should be pursuing those drugs where treatment of clinical obesity is an on-label indication.

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Anonymous wrote:Hm, I don't think anyone is sneering about people losing feet, where did that come from? In my neck of the woods there are no shortages to these drugs. If there are in some places, those will likely get resolved.

I was the one "sneering" about losing feet I guess. Not the kindest way to phrase it but I am absolutely tired of type 2 diabetes patients acting as though those of us with obesity but not technically diabetic on paper because our metabolic disease hasn't yet progressed to the level theirs has are stealing their drugs or whatever. We're on the same spectrum of disease and have equal right to treat it. There are many A1C lowering drugs available when Ozempic is temporarily unable to be filled, several of them in the exact same class of medication that Ozempic is in. No diabetics need have uncontrolled blood sugar just because there is a shortage of semaglutide, and if they or their doctor are letting that happen then it's on them.

Anonymous wrote:Hm, I don't think anyone is sneering about people losing feet, where did that come from? In my neck of the woods there are no shortages to these drugs. If there are in some places, those will likely get resolved.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

I have just as much right to improve my health as you do and the right to prevent progression of diabetes. You don’t get priority just because your metabolic disease has progressed more significantly than mine has. As you say there are several easily available and effective diabetes medications so it’s not as if anyone is in danger of losing a foot just because their Ozempic is delayed by a week or two.

There is such a vicious quality to your posts.

NP. You both suck. May anyone who wants Ozempic to get to a healthy weight get it.

You suck. That’s the actual point, that sneering about diabetics losing their feet is vile. You and DCUM’s Ozempic Smeagol can grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

I have just as much right to improve my health as you do and the right to prevent progression of diabetes. You don’t get priority just because your metabolic disease has progressed more significantly than mine has. As you say there are several easily available and effective diabetes medications so it’s not as if anyone is in danger of losing a foot just because their Ozempic is delayed by a week or two.

There is such a vicious quality to your posts.

NP. You both suck. May anyone who wants Ozempic to get to a healthy weight get it.

You suck. That’s the actual point, that sneering about diabetics losing their feet is vile. You and DCUM’s Ozempic Smeagol can grow up.

DP but you need to slow down when you read. Not getting this from that person at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

I have just as much right to improve my health as you do and the right to prevent progression of diabetes. You don’t get priority just because your metabolic disease has progressed more significantly than mine has. As you say there are several easily available and effective diabetes medications so it’s not as if anyone is in danger of losing a foot just because their Ozempic is delayed by a week or two.

There is such a vicious quality to your posts.

NP. You both suck. May anyone who wants Ozempic to get to a healthy weight get it.

You suck. That’s the actual point, that sneering about diabetics losing their feet is vile. You and DCUM’s Ozempic Smeagol can grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

I have just as much right to improve my health as you do and the right to prevent progression of diabetes. You don’t get priority just because your metabolic disease has progressed more significantly than mine has. As you say there are several easily available and effective diabetes medications so it’s not as if anyone is in danger of losing a foot just because their Ozempic is delayed by a week or two.

There is such a vicious quality to your posts.

NP. You both suck. May anyone who wants Ozempic to get to a healthy weight get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

Plus it’s been used for at least 10 years for diabetes. So we have history on it.

What about use in people who are not truly diabetic? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe we have information on that.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

I have just as much right to improve my health as you do and the right to prevent progression of diabetes. You don’t get priority just because your metabolic disease has progressed more significantly than mine has. As you say there are several easily available and effective diabetes medications so it’s not as if anyone is in danger of losing a foot just because their Ozempic is delayed by a week or two.

There is such a vicious quality to your posts.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

I have just as much right to improve my health as you do and the right to prevent progression of diabetes. You don’t get priority just because your metabolic disease has progressed more significantly than mine has. As you say there are several easily available and effective diabetes medications so it’s not as if anyone is in danger of losing a foot just because their Ozempic is delayed by a week or two.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have to be on Ozempic the rest of your life, when does the weight loss end and weight maintenance begin? Is there a risk for becoming underweight?

Probably. NYT had an article about Malnutrition. I just saw another one about, a sinking face and weird dreams as Ozempic side effects. You have to work closely with your doctor to monitor the side effects and impact.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the long term affects of these drugs?

Does anyone know the long term effects (with an e, not an a) of many drugs people take? There is something very gross about how people are reacting to this class of drugs and it has everything to do with how fat people are treated in society.

My concern is for the diabetics who are currently having trouble filling their prescriptions. It's great that non diabetic obese people are losing weight, hopefully avoiding the effects of obesity. I think that between them, a current DX of diabetes is a more pressing need.

Your concern is for type 2 diabetics? Where do you think obese people are headed? Those two things are directly correlated. All of the fake concern is ridiculous.

Did you read the post? I acknowledged that, bright one.

"Fake concern"... go away. My doctor won't prescribe it FOR DIABETES because the supply chain is unstable. It would very likely be more effective but what I'm on right now is easily available. So yes, if it's a choice between filling an rx for an obese but non diabetic patient or a diabetic patient, the diabetic patient should get what is available.

Anonymous wrote:If you have to be on Ozempic the rest of your life, when does the weight loss end and weight maintenance begin? Is there a risk for becoming underweight?