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Anonymous wrote:NOVA waitlisted for UVA engineering. Too bad. Just glad another school thought 3.98/4.5, 1560 was sufficient for admission. Just had to cross the Potomac...Go Terps!

Easy choice for Engineering. Just sorry you have to pay OOS rates.

Anonymous wrote:NOVA waitlisted for UVA engineering. Too bad. Just glad another school thought 3.98/4.5, 1560 was sufficient for admission. Just had to cross the Potomac...Go Terps!

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Anonymous wrote:“ A projected yield of only 43.2% is not stellar, which tends to refute claims of "yield protection" (as that term usually is defined here).”

That’s with ED. Even with ED yield protection, which is exactly what it’s used for, UVA has a mediocre yield rate. There simply are better options for OOS students in many cases.

55 Rhodes Scholars. Top public producer after West Point. I strongly disagree with your position. Great value. Great school. Got my kid into a top grad school. But YRMV.

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Anonymous wrote:“ A projected yield of only 43.2% is not stellar, which tends to refute claims of "yield protection" (as that term usually is defined here).”

That’s with ED. Even with ED yield protection, which is exactly what it’s used for, UVA has a mediocre yield rate. There simply are better options for OOS students in many cases.

55 Rhodes Scholars. Top public producer after West Point. I strongly disagree with your position. Great value. Great school. Got my kid into a top grad school. But YRMV.

Anonymous wrote:“ A projected yield of only 43.2% is not stellar, which tends to refute claims of "yield protection" (as that term usually is defined here).”

That’s with ED. Even with ED yield protection, which is exactly what it’s used for, UVA has a mediocre yield rate. There simply are better options for OOS students in many cases.

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Anonymous wrote:Yield rate in-state is 60%. OOS is 24%. Overall is 40%. This is to be expected. In-state is an excellent deal. OOS, kids who get into UVA also get in to other selective programs.

So the non-ED oos yield rate is well below 20%. Maybe below 15%? Not impressive…

So, you want UVA to emphasize ED even more? That’s how a lot of elite schools get their yield up - they fill 50%+ of their class ED.

No “want” of any sort should be imputed. But such a weak peripheral in oos yield, in comparison to its selective public university peers, does not bode well for the sustainability of UVA’s current 57k oos tuition financial model: something will have to give.

Im not paying $75-80K for UVA. Many other privates and OOS publics are better schools for that price. Most applying OOS to UVA will be applying to those privates and OOS publics. If they get into a "better one" they will choose that. It's quite simply. I'd say with the number of OOS applicants, UVA will not change the tuition anytime soon. They are still getting enough kids---and likely pull from the OOS WL to backfill if they do not get the yield anticipated from OOS

Good. More room for my kid. Did you know SLACs have crossed the 90K a year line? Go look at USC

Well aware of that fact. Just believe that for most majors, UVA is not worth $75-80K/year. It's great in-state school, but not worth the added cost for OOS. There are MUCH better schools available for that price. And in reality, someone who can get into UVA can find a private school and get merit, bringing the cost well below $80K/year.

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised at the higher admit rate than a number of other schools. University of Richmond has essentially the same admit rate. Schools like Colgate, Vassar and Lehigh have lower admit rates.

https://www.collegekickstart.com/blog/item/class-of-2023-admission-results

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Anonymous wrote:Yield rate in-state is 60%. OOS is 24%. Overall is 40%. This is to be expected. In-state is an excellent deal. OOS, kids who get into UVA also get in to other selective programs.

So the non-ED oos yield rate is well below 20%. Maybe below 15%? Not impressive…

So, you want UVA to emphasize ED even more? That’s how a lot of elite schools get their yield up - they fill 50%+ of their class ED.

No “want” of any sort should be imputed. But such a weak peripheral in oos yield, in comparison to its selective public university peers, does not bode well for the sustainability of UVA’s current 57k oos tuition financial model: something will have to give.

Im not paying $75-80K for UVA. Many other privates and OOS publics are better schools for that price. Most applying OOS to UVA will be applying to those privates and OOS publics. If they get into a "better one" they will choose that. It's quite simply. I'd say with the number of OOS applicants, UVA will not change the tuition anytime soon. They are still getting enough kids---and likely pull from the OOS WL to backfill if they do not get the yield anticipated from OOS

Good. More room for my kid. Did you know SLACs have crossed the 90K a year line? Go look at USC

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

Do that and UVA in-state tuition will likely go up. Can't have it both ways, lower instate tuition and more instate students. OOS students help keep tuition "lower" for instate students. All part of a formula.

Nope, we could have more taxpayer funding.

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised at the higher admit rate than a number of other schools. University of Richmond has essentially the same admit rate. Schools like Colgate, Vassar and Lehigh have lower admit rates.

https://www.collegekickstart.com/blog/item/class-of-2023-admission-results

UVA’s applicants are very self-selected v. those privates. Your public high school counselor won’t support your app to UVA if they know you don’t have a shot.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that yield rate puts UVA easily within the top 25 of the country. I do not think UVA exercises yield protection. It doesn't need to do so.
And no dog in this fight. Not an alum and no kid there.

I haven't seen any claims that UVA yield protects--the only public VA u that people make that claim is VT (and there's some evidence for that--but it's more like yield protection due to settings on its enrollment management algorithm rather than someone in admissions actively saying 'this high stats kid isn't going to really come here')

And Tim Sands wants it to yield protect to raise the numbers of first generation, URM and underrepresented minorities to 40% of school population which he's done The questionis wehtheror not the only polytechnic public school in the commonwealth should be doing that.

Tim Sands earned his MS and Ph.D from Berkeley.

It should come as no surprise he is trying to implement extreme left wing / social justice policies at Virginia Tech.

Why was this radical chosen at VT’s president??

Tim Sands alone is not responsible for the propaganda / shift leftward, at VT and on other college campuses, but he certainly backs things like this:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/14/sons-freshman-orientation-virginia-tech-full-leftist-propaganda/

Yes, he is! He made it a mission statement years ago to make VT 40% URM and underserved students by 2022 and he succeeded. OK. Why is the ONLY polytechnic PUBLIC school in the Commonwealth engaging in social engineering? I say let the privates do that. I want to see my tax dollars at work.