Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:54     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ummm yeah if a kid is talking in line - I definitely tell them to go to the back of the line. They hate that because they line up with their friends. Its not humiliation - its "helping" them behave better by getting them away from the person they were talking to.[/quote



I remember when parents would thanks us when their kids got in trouble...


Telling the child to go to the back of the line( because, (‘they were sick of telling them) in front of the child’s peers, is not ok. OP said that her child is now feeling that she is being treated differently, and that is not how a child needs to feel in elementary school. The teacher lost her cool and lashed out in a snarky unprofessional way. Maybe she should have told her privately and as pp suggested- involve her in a solution. Not sure I read that they were walking in the halls while other classes were in session. Children are happy to be in school, with nice weather, looking forward to summer break. She did not hit or push anyone. Maybe the punishment should fit the “crime”, minus the teacher’s intent to shame.

My opinion.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:53     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



Yes, but only because a smart, experienced teacher would instead permanently place the squirrelly kid up front, next to them. Having them all the way at the back of the line gives them more leeway for more misbehavior.

If you’re asking “is it fair for a teacher to punish my precious poopsie just because they’re #allboy?” No. They need to do better and you need to do better.


Many kids would love this. Most of these kids love an audience and now the whole class can see their antics.


Depends on the kind of talker the kid is. I have a talker and I think front of line would be helpful for keeping her from talking. She's actually pretty shy, plus she's very afraid of getting in trouble as a rule. So being up near the teacher and in front of the class would make her clam up because she'd feel under scrutiny. Meanwhile back of the line would probably just lead to more talking because the further she is from the authority figure, the more comfortable she feels with breaking the rules. She'd just talk to the second to last kid in line.

Other kids are class clowns and their talking stems from a love of attention, even the negative attention of getting reprimanded by the teacher. So front of line wouldn't work for them. Whereas back of line might actually get them out of the eyeline of the rest of class and quiet them down.

A good teacher will know what is actually causing the child's rule-breaking and craft a solution accordingly.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:52     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



I do not like that the teacher went out of her way to embarrass a child with a punishment that she deemed humiliating


This is everything that’s wrong with this country. Your kid should be able to disturb everyone else in the school and not follow directions. There should be no consequences! Listen, this isn’t humiliating, it’s practical. Your DD won’t shut shut up. Other kids need to learn.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:49     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:Its not punishment (and shouldn't have been presented as such). Its a change of placement to facilitate the kid following the rules. Setting her and the class up for success. I have a chqtty kid. I would have no problem. If this was a teachers decision to make her day easier.


This. I have no issue with the decision and have a lot of sympathy for the teacher (my kid will monologue for hours if given the opportunity).

But if it was presented to the kid and the class as "Larla here won't shut up so I'm punishing her by making her walk at the END OF THE LINE for the rest of the year," I get why Larla freaked out and is now worried that she's been unfairly singled out. Larla needs to learn to be quiet in the hallway but also, Larla is a little kid, okay?

The teacher should have just said, "Larla, I know it's hard for you to follow the no talking rule in lines, so I'm going to help you out and put you at the end of the line from here on out. That way you have fewer kids around to tempt you into talking, and maybe being at the end will help you remember that we don't talk in line, ok."

I think the actual issue is the way this solution was framed, not the fact that the teacher came up with a totally reasonable solution to this problem.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:37     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



Yes, but only because a smart, experienced teacher would instead permanently place the squirrelly kid up front, next to them. Having them all the way at the back of the line gives them more leeway for more misbehavior.

If you’re asking “is it fair for a teacher to punish my precious poopsie just because they’re #allboy?” No. They need to do better and you need to do better.


Many kids would love this. Most of these kids love an audience and now the whole class can see their antics.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:34     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



Yes, but only because a smart, experienced teacher would instead permanently place the squirrelly kid up front, next to them. Having them all the way at the back of the line gives them more leeway for more misbehavior.

If you’re asking “is it fair for a teacher to punish my precious poopsie just because they’re #allboy?” No. They need to do better and you need to do better.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:19     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:Ummm yeah if a kid is talking in line - I definitely tell them to go to the back of the line. They hate that because they line up with their friends. Its not humiliation - its "helping" them behave better by getting them away from the person they were talking to.[/quote



I remember when parents would thanks us when their kids got in trouble...
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:13     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Ummm yeah if a kid is talking in line - I definitely tell them to go to the back of the line. They hate that because they line up with their friends. Its not humiliation - its "helping" them behave better by getting them away from the person they were talking to.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:06     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.


Lol that you think being the Caboose is a “severe” form of punishment.

It’s classroom management, and talking in the hall is disruptive for the other classrooms.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 08:01     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Its not punishment (and shouldn't have been presented as such). Its a change of placement to facilitate the kid following the rules. Setting her and the class up for success. I have a chqtty kid. I would have no problem. If this was a teachers decision to make her day easier.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:57     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
I will never understand a parent who responds like the OP. Never.

OP your first thought should be holy crap this teacher must be so frustrated and it’s a bit embarrassing my kid can’t follow directions this far into the school year. Gee, what could I be doing as a parent to help?
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:54     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
yes, we are hiring
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:52     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
If this had happened to me as a child, I sure would not have told my mom! Double trouble.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:43     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?



There's is nothing wrong with this per se. The only slight problem is that it is too absolute and allows no chance for redemption/improvement... they are just stuck at the end of the line for the rest of the year.


So? Teachers have lost pretty much all disciplinary options. I bet she’s told this kid to stop the talking for months. Everyone has their limits. The OP is why teachers are quitting. I had a talker and I told the teachers to be harder in him. He learned through quick enforcement of the rules with appropriate consequences.


He had 9 months to improve. The last month is too late, teacher just needs peace. It is a perfectly appropriate consequence.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 07:42     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.


It's walking last in line, it's not being spanked. Get over it.


+1. Some really weak responses in this thread. When I was this kid's age we had "silent lunch." It was truly a deterrent for me as a little chatterbox. It worked!