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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

Are you a hospital nurse or doctor? That's a lot of deaths to personally witness! From my understanding, very few children died of covid--and you actually watched several of them die. Wow.

Not only do I not know anyone who died of Covid, I don't even know anyone that had a particularly difficult time with it (beyond generally "bad flu" type symptoms.)

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Anonymous wrote:Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.

Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.

Ignorance on display.

The flu vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting flu, either.

What both vaccines do is reduce the severity of the illness if one is infected. But I figure you might be in the "Covid isn't a serious illness, it's merely a cold" camp and won't be convinced that we still don't know whether a person's outcome might be nothing much, or a more severe case.

And you're trying to imply above that getting a booster means "some get worse" --due to the booster? Citations, please. Not from inside your head or Newsmax; from an actual medical source. And you do know that correlation is not equal to causation, right? Someone getting worse after a booster does not translate into "The booster caused this."

While the Covid vax may reduce severity of the disease, just as not being obese would, what right does a college have to mandate this injection to protect the young person from a severe outcome (when it is so exceedingly rare for healthy young people to have bad outcomes)? There are also bad outcomes associated with the injection. As you point out, this is not about protecting the community but about protecting the individual. Therefore the college has no legitimate right to force this on the student- it should be up to the student in consultation with his family and physician.

I think this is the core of the point people like me are trying to make: this vaccine is different from the vaccine for, say, measles, which prevents infection at a very high rate, thereby stopping measles from spreading in a dense social network (such as a dorm). If the only thing a vaccine really does is protect the vaccinate person, then it should be a personal choice, similar to other personal health choices (eating right, exercise etc.).

The other key distinction is that the measles vaccine is time tested with a simple mechanism of action and basically harmless. The Covid “vaccine” is new, experimental, with serious side effects that have already been identified and unknown long term side effects.

Anonymous wrote:The mandates violate medical ethics. College administrators with zero medical expertise are apparently legally allowed to make personal medical decisions, for young healthy students they've never met, in ways that one's personal physician cannot. But ethically? Nope.

Most colleges will end up shying away from the emergency use authorization of the current bivalent product, which does not have full FDA approval. However, that might take all summer.

Most college administrators aren't even aware that the old monovalent series is no longer available and that the current vaccine is only authorized for emergency use. This alone indicates that the decision is well outside their expertise.

The true problem is with FDA and CDC not demanding sufficient evidence. CDC director should have been fired for her failures, which include overbroad recommendations not supported by appropriate data.

Complexity unethical.

And the FDA/CDC are definitely at fault here. From Fauci on down they pushed a ‘booster for all’ mentality that was never supported by data. They forced these shots on our kids unnecessarily and will never be held responsible for that nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.

Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.

Ignorance on display.

The flu vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting flu, either.

What both vaccines do is reduce the severity of the illness if one is infected. But I figure you might be in the "Covid isn't a serious illness, it's merely a cold" camp and won't be convinced that we still don't know whether a person's outcome might be nothing much, or a more severe case.

And you're trying to imply above that getting a booster means "some get worse" --due to the booster? Citations, please. Not from inside your head or Newsmax; from an actual medical source. And you do know that correlation is not equal to causation, right? Someone getting worse after a booster does not translate into "The booster caused this."

While the Covid vax may reduce severity of the disease, just as not being obese would, what right does a college have to mandate this injection to protect the young person from a severe outcome (when it is so exceedingly rare for healthy young people to have bad outcomes)? There are also bad outcomes associated with the injection. As you point out, this is not about protecting the community but about protecting the individual. Therefore the college has no legitimate right to force this on the student- it should be up to the student in consultation with his family and physician.

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

Accepting rules is easy. Any moron can do that.

It's a lot more difficult to actually think about rules, and decide whether they make any sense, or are coming from a place of reason versus emotion.

To a thoughtful citizen of a free country, the discussion shouldn't end when someone says "rules are rules." During the pandemic, there were a lot of dumb rules that didn't make any difference to the course of the crisis (remember outdoor mask mandates, and bans on outdoor activities during the early parts of the pandemic?). It's only when people started questioning the dumb rules and pushing back that those rules went away.

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Anonymous wrote:Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.

Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.

Ignorance on display.

The flu vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting flu, either.

What both vaccines do is reduce the severity of the illness if one is infected. But I figure you might be in the "Covid isn't a serious illness, it's merely a cold" camp and won't be convinced that we still don't know whether a person's outcome might be nothing much, or a more severe case.

And you're trying to imply above that getting a booster means "some get worse" --due to the booster? Citations, please. Not from inside your head or Newsmax; from an actual medical source. And you do know that correlation is not equal to causation, right? Someone getting worse after a booster does not translate into "The booster caused this."

While the Covid vax may reduce severity of the disease, just as not being obese would, what right does a college have to mandate this injection to protect the young person from a severe outcome (when it is so exceedingly rare for healthy young people to have bad outcomes)? There are also bad outcomes associated with the injection. As you point out, this is not about protecting the community but about protecting the individual. Therefore the college has no legitimate right to force this on the student- it should be up to the student in consultation with his family and physician.

I think this is the core of the point people like me are trying to make: this vaccine is different from the vaccine for, say, measles, which prevents infection at a very high rate, thereby stopping measles from spreading in a dense social network (such as a dorm). If the only thing a vaccine really does is protect the vaccinate person, then it should be a personal choice, similar to other personal health choices (eating right, exercise etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

As they should be. Many smart people don’t think the risk/reward on boosters makes sense from the standpoint of a healthy physically fit young male (especially ones who have been infected with Covid already). Everyone should respect that.

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Anonymous wrote:Not many 18 y/o are opposed to the vaccine. Their parents may be, but that’s very different

Are you kidding me? EVERY 18 YO male I know (and that's a lot, as I have twins that age) is opposed to the vaccine. And has no plans to get one, ever again.

Young males are concerned about the risks of myocarditis post-vaccine given cases like this, particularly when they face almost no risk of serious outcome from omicron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10126745/pdf/10.1177_02676591231170480.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

This is so idiotic. I realize colleges have a right to make their own policies within the confines of the law. I want them to change those policies. Like when people want colleges to give preference to FGLI or ban legacies, no one says, you don’t like it, then go somewhere else! In a democracy people have opinions as to how things should work and sometimes share those opinions. So take your “liberty is still accepting students” bs and shove it up your ***. It’s really a stupid response. It’s like telling Rosa Parks, you don’t like the back of the bus, why don’t you just walk!

The mandates violate medical ethics. College administrators with zero medical expertise are apparently legally allowed to make personal medical decisions, for young healthy students they've never met, in ways that one's personal physician cannot. But ethically? Nope.

Most colleges will end up shying away from the emergency use authorization of the current bivalent product, which does not have full FDA approval. However, that might take all summer.

Most college administrators aren't even aware that the old monovalent series is no longer available and that the current vaccine is only authorized for emergency use. This alone indicates that the decision is well outside their expertise.

The true problem is with FDA and CDC not demanding sufficient evidence. CDC director should have been fired for her failures, which include overbroad recommendations not supported by appropriate data.

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

Your kid is free to attend any school that does not require the vax. Colleges are free to set their own reqs for attendance. Don’t like them choose to go elsewhere.

I’ve witnessed kids who died from covid with no other issues pre vax. I’ve witnessed healthy adults die as well. I’ve got friends and family with long covid. You are free to have your opinions, but you have to live with the consequences of that. Luckily for you there are many choices that will suit you—liberty is still accepting students

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges have always had vaccination requirements for communicable diseases. I went back for grad school after time away and they asked for proof of my chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox, I had to have a blood titer to prove I didn’t need the vaccine. I did get the meningitis vaccine. I think the covid vaccine will live on at universities.

I never had to show my vaccine card at the university I attended (public, California) in the 90s.

My oldest son started college in 2018, so before Covid. He did not have to show is vaccine card at his school either.

Well at the majority of USA universities, students DO have to show proof of several vaccines before matriculating. It’s been that way for decades. Some even require the meningitis B vaccine (state of Indiana requires it I believe) so not sure where you and your kid attended. But proof of vaccine is more the norm than not

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

Or he might not have fared worse. Or maybe the shot made it worse. It’s not your right or anyone else’s right to force this medical treatment on another citizen. If you want to shoot yourself up with boosters, or your kid want to, go for it, but leave my kid alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Educated people want to get vaccinated. The effects of Long Covid are still not known, but the most recent studies indicated that heart issues associated with COVID are far worse than any perceived heart issues associated with the vaccine.

Yep. There's someone in my circle with long covid and it has totally diminished their quality of life. I can't imagine anyone who knows someone with it thinking they'll just take their chances.

My DH was vaccinated twice and received two boosters, one of which was last fall. We all got covid in February and he is still struggling with it. Out of all of us (the rest of us received our two but no boosters), he is the one who ended up with long covid. I think it's a roulette wheel, boosted or not.

It is but he might have fared fare worse without the shots. Sorry you are dealing with this—I still worry what the next 5-10 years will bring for my son who has mild long covid—we are just leaning each day of new issues

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Anonymous wrote:Quote above is mostly true. Vaccine and/or booster does not prevent someone from getting COVID.

Recent studies have shown that getting a booster can help those with long COVID, but others have no change and some get worse.

Ignorance on display.

The flu vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting flu, either.

What both vaccines do is reduce the severity of the illness if one is infected. But I figure you might be in the "Covid isn't a serious illness, it's merely a cold" camp and won't be convinced that we still don't know whether a person's outcome might be nothing much, or a more severe case.

And you're trying to imply above that getting a booster means "some get worse" --due to the booster? Citations, please. Not from inside your head or Newsmax; from an actual medical source. And you do know that correlation is not equal to causation, right? Someone getting worse after a booster does not translate into "The booster caused this."

While the Covid vax may reduce severity of the disease, just as not being obese would, what right does a college have to mandate this injection to protect the young person from a severe outcome (when it is so exceedingly rare for healthy young people to have bad outcomes)? There are also bad outcomes associated with the injection. As you point out, this is not about protecting the community but about protecting the individual. Therefore the college has no legitimate right to force this on the student- it should be up to the student in consultation with his family and physician.