Anonymous
Post 04/29/2023 12:24     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Even a "small" school bus is still big. I hope that in the future, you will notice them.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2023 11:47     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
I got a ticket right there for that reason. Heading southbound on River. Green light to go through the Little Falls intersection. Unbeknownst to me five lanes over on the northbound lane a small school bus had stopped to let off kids in front of the apartment building. Didn't even see it since it was so far away and there are lane dividers and traffic lights. Even if I had seen it and stopped I would have caused a multi-car pile up. I paid it, quietly seething at the dangerous stupidity of it.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2023 09:36     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
The possible presence of a giant yellow school bus during morning rush and after-school hours is a road condition. If someone is driving too fast to notice and adjust to all road conditions, including a giant yellow school bus, then they are driving too fast and deserve a ticket. Drive slowly enough to account for all the busy traffic in and out of parking lots and side streets - including the giant yellow school bus.

MoCo drivers complaining about a school bus. Wahwahwah.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2023 08:01     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How about instead of complaining, you people stop driving like maniacs.

Your commute is your problem. Stop making it everyone else's problem.

My commute is 10 minutes and now I know River Road has a ticketing trickster school bus making $2000 a stop.


Your commute is probably 10 minutes because you fly like a maniac at 45 mph in 25 mph zones. I mean, seriously - if you work in DC and River Road is part of your commute and you say it's only 10 minutes then you are definitely part of the maniac driver problem. The only way you have a 10 minute commute via River Road is if you live in NW DC and work in NW DC.


Wrong again. Stop fabricating nonsense, it’s not a good look.

I have gotten any tickets in years. But I know that part of the road and neighborhood well over the years and know that it’s too congested and busy with vendor activity for anyone to notice a school bus stopped across 4-5 lanes of traffic.
People driving there are too busy making sure they don’t hit anyone and no one hits them. There are cars and trucks coming at you for all angles every half minute.

Maybe part of the problem is the detour and construction project at westbard, but it’s a stint of road that requires a ton of focus, especially if turning in or out of one of the many vendor drives.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 23:45     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How about instead of complaining, you people stop driving like maniacs.

Your commute is your problem. Stop making it everyone else's problem.

My commute is 10 minutes and now I know River Road has a ticketing trickster school bus making $2000 a stop.


Your commute is probably 10 minutes because you fly like a maniac at 45 mph in 25 mph zones. I mean, seriously - if you work in DC and River Road is part of your commute and you say it's only 10 minutes then you are definitely part of the maniac driver problem. The only way you have a 10 minute commute via River Road is if you live in NW DC and work in NW DC.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 22:50     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How about instead of complaining, you people stop driving like maniacs.

Your commute is your problem. Stop making it everyone else's problem.

My commute is 10 minutes and now I know River Road has a ticketing trickster school bus making $2000 a stop.


And so you will likely be more aware of school buses picking up and dropping off children and may even stop when required to do so. The ticketing system will have succeeded in deterring you from breaking the law and in increasing safety for children riding the trickster bus. Good.

Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 22:40     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For all of you saying "just stop for the big yellow bus," depending on the traffic there, it's not so easy to see the big yellow bus or that it has it's little red stop sign out. If you are in the far right lane going southbound and there is traffic in the lane beside you as well in the northbound lanes, unless you know there is a school bus stop right there and you're scanning all the way across three lanes of traffic to see if a bus is there, it's unrealistic to think that it's going to get noticed in time to stop. By the time it registers (if it even does), you're by it. This isn't a bus stopped on a neighborhood road that you can't miss. The fact that so many people get tickets there means the design is problematic and the county should make changes vs. just keep pulling in the revenue.

Pro tip: the big yellow bus also has yellow and then red lights all over it. Not just the little red stop sign.


The problem is that most drivers in this area are terrible and are buried in their phones or just generally incapable of paying attention to things going on around them. I speed a lot but have never gotten a camera ticket because I pay attention to both sides of the road and also to all of the "photo enforced" notices on speed limit signs. And I don't multitask when driving.

River road there has a service station or store driveway every 30 meters, and vehicles turning in from the median lane or regular flow lane, and drivers turn out both directions too. People aren’t on their phones there they’d have crashed.


I know that area well, and trust me, probably 25% are on their phones, 50% generally seem clueless at all times and don't seem to know where they're going or what's going on around them even if they've driven the road 1000 times, and 25% seem generally competent and focused.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 21:23     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For all of you saying "just stop for the big yellow bus," depending on the traffic there, it's not so easy to see the big yellow bus or that it has it's little red stop sign out. If you are in the far right lane going southbound and there is traffic in the lane beside you as well in the northbound lanes, unless you know there is a school bus stop right there and you're scanning all the way across three lanes of traffic to see if a bus is there, it's unrealistic to think that it's going to get noticed in time to stop. By the time it registers (if it even does), you're by it. This isn't a bus stopped on a neighborhood road that you can't miss. The fact that so many people get tickets there means the design is problematic and the county should make changes vs. just keep pulling in the revenue.

Pro tip: the big yellow bus also has yellow and then red lights all over it. Not just the little red stop sign.


The problem is that most drivers in this area are terrible and are buried in their phones or just generally incapable of paying attention to things going on around them. I speed a lot but have never gotten a camera ticket because I pay attention to both sides of the road and also to all of the "photo enforced" notices on speed limit signs. And I don't multitask when driving.

River road there has a service station or store driveway every 30 meters, and vehicles turning in from the median lane or regular flow lane, and drivers turn out both directions too. People aren’t on their phones there they’d have crashed.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 21:21     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If kids are not crossing the street, then why are the signs even out?! City buses stop all the time and have no issues. Why does everyone need to stop for school buses? I'd argue that it creates more rear ending and more accidents.

(Playing devils advocate here because I always saw this as a nonsensical)


Agree on mulit-lane commercial roads. No kid is crossing the street to the seven mechanics shops. River road is fatal, no school bus sign + idiotic drivers + high volume traffic will save you.

No one crosses at a non red light/green light traffic corner. Just like no one uses the fatal crosswalk under the capital crescent trail there. Lunacy.


lol at the twisted logic here. "Nobody crosses the street because drivers make it too dangerous. Ergo, the only solution is the status quo where it continues to be a dangerous road and inconveniences anyone not in a car. People would be maniacs to cross in legal crossing areas because, again, drivers don't listed to the rules and stop for stop signs and pedestrians. So we should incentive the dangerous behavior of motorists and stop ticketing them for failing to stop at a stop sign."


NP. I agree with the point that people don’t cross River Road there by foot. Never seen it in 10 years, there are too many turnouts and in on that half mile stretch. The long McDonald’s drive through line onto both sides of river road and median is nuts as well. That should be illegal.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 21:18     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just saw FOUR cameras on the Pyle school buses. Go get ‘em!


Lol. maybe our taxes will get slashed down…


Probably all goes to the vendor in charge of all this. 4 cameras per bus doesn't come cheap! Also means lots of hours to review the footage.


It’s movement based, just like the red light snaps and stop sign snaps.

If you don’t review it, no one will.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 21:17     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:How about instead of complaining, you people stop driving like maniacs.

Your commute is your problem. Stop making it everyone else's problem.

My commute is 10 minutes and now I know River Road has a ticketing trickster school bus making $2000 a stop.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 18:41     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For all of you saying "just stop for the big yellow bus," depending on the traffic there, it's not so easy to see the big yellow bus or that it has it's little red stop sign out. If you are in the far right lane going southbound and there is traffic in the lane beside you as well in the northbound lanes, unless you know there is a school bus stop right there and you're scanning all the way across three lanes of traffic to see if a bus is there, it's unrealistic to think that it's going to get noticed in time to stop. By the time it registers (if it even does), you're by it. This isn't a bus stopped on a neighborhood road that you can't miss. The fact that so many people get tickets there means the design is problematic and the county should make changes vs. just keep pulling in the revenue.

Pro tip: the big yellow bus also has yellow and then red lights all over it. Not just the little red stop sign.


The problem is that most drivers in this area are terrible and are buried in their phones or just generally incapable of paying attention to things going on around them. I speed a lot but have never gotten a camera ticket because I pay attention to both sides of the road and also to all of the "photo enforced" notices on speed limit signs. And I don't multitask when driving.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 18:39     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If kids are not crossing the street, then why are the signs even out?! City buses stop all the time and have no issues. Why does everyone need to stop for school buses? I'd argue that it creates more rear ending and more accidents.

(Playing devils advocate here because I always saw this as a nonsensical)


Agree on mulit-lane commercial roads. No kid is crossing the street to the seven mechanics shops. River road is fatal, no school bus sign + idiotic drivers + high volume traffic will save you.

No one crosses at a non red light/green light traffic corner. Just like no one uses the fatal crosswalk under the capital crescent trail there. Lunacy.


lol at the twisted logic here. "Nobody crosses the street because drivers make it too dangerous. Ergo, the only solution is the status quo where it continues to be a dangerous road and inconveniences anyone not in a car. People would be maniacs to cross in legal crossing areas because, again, drivers don't listed to the rules and stop for stop signs and pedestrians. So we should incentive the dangerous behavior of motorists and stop ticketing them for failing to stop at a stop sign."
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 18:16     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:For all of you saying "just stop for the big yellow bus," depending on the traffic there, it's not so easy to see the big yellow bus or that it has it's little red stop sign out. If you are in the far right lane going southbound and there is traffic in the lane beside you as well in the northbound lanes, unless you know there is a school bus stop right there and you're scanning all the way across three lanes of traffic to see if a bus is there, it's unrealistic to think that it's going to get noticed in time to stop. By the time it registers (if it even does), you're by it. This isn't a bus stopped on a neighborhood road that you can't miss. The fact that so many people get tickets there means the design is problematic and the county should make changes vs. just keep pulling in the revenue.

Pro tip: the big yellow bus also has yellow and then red lights all over it. Not just the little red stop sign.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 17:53     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
How about instead of complaining, you people stop driving like maniacs.

Your commute is your problem. Stop making it everyone else's problem.