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Anonymous wrote:Wait...OP, so you really don't fly because someone might throw a temper tantrum. As in, you don't go anywhere far. At all?

Nope I think that flying used to be luxurious and now it literally is packed like sardines and everyone is hot and you are lucky to get more than 4 oz to drink and god forbid you need to go to the bathroom while the plane is on the tarmac for the 4th hour or is circling for 1.5 hours after being on a plane for 4 hours.

I will fly solo as long as I have an edible beforehand.

I am 51 years old, and can never, ever remember a time when flying was luxurious.

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I remember being packed in like sardines *with* cigarette smoke. We’ve come a long way, baby.

This — especially on flights I took to Europe and Asia. YMMV. Blech. The one from Eastern Europe was particularly BAD.

… and people didn’t bathe as much. I still have a vivid memory of the woman I sat next to from Turkey (she wasn’t Turkish just connecting). It was so bad that everyone got moved if possible and given free drinks

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Anonymous wrote:Wait...OP, so you really don't fly because someone might throw a temper tantrum. As in, you don't go anywhere far. At all?

Nope I think that flying used to be luxurious and now it literally is packed like sardines and everyone is hot and you are lucky to get more than 4 oz to drink and god forbid you need to go to the bathroom while the plane is on the tarmac for the 4th hour or is circling for 1.5 hours after being on a plane for 4 hours.

I will fly solo as long as I have an edible beforehand.

I am 51 years old, and can never, ever remember a time when flying was luxurious.

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I remember being packed in like sardines *with* cigarette smoke. We’ve come a long way, baby.

This — especially on flights I took to Europe and Asia. YMMV. Blech. The one from Eastern Europe was particularly BAD.

Legroom was anywhere from 4-8 inches more and people were smaller both in length and width. seat width was its widest in 1990s at 18.5 inches and is now 16.5 inches wide, 1960-1970s 16 to 17 respectively.

Anonymous wrote:For all the posters with headphones that blocks all sounds, please recommend. Mine do not, and I have long flight overseas planned. TIA

Don’t get the Bose ones. I love those for reducing noise and letting me hear movies. But for actual sleeping, you need ear protection type. Like what you wear while using power tools or mowing. Or just the foam ones you insert. I combine the foam ones with my Bose headphones.

Why are you all saying noise canceling headphones do anything?? They actually make talking and crying worse because they cancel everything else. You need headphones like the kind you mow the lawn with.

I am a 3x mom who has flown to Asia, Europe and south america with babies and toddlers. There is no excuse for the bad behavior I see from kids on flights. I blame bad parenting.

First off, you have to start off with the expectation that kids sit still and know when to behave from the beginning. Second, you set them up for success. We run our kids HARD in airports before long flights especially. You know your kids. Don’t bring a car seat if they scream about sitting in it. Bring melatonin in case of emergency. We also fly with milk that we heat up. It calms kids.

I didn’t always purchase seats for babies. If you purchase a seat, you’re not allowed to breastfeed on take off and landing. Which would have made my babies scream. With my difficult child I definitely breastfed and held a baby for 3 hours. Once I held him overnight.

But I do give parents grace when I see them trying. Some parents just watch their iPhones and ignore kids kicking, screaming and crying. Nope. Flying with kids isn’t the time that you get to enjoy yourself.

And please don’t ban alcohol on flights! That one glass of wine or beer is what conks most people out. No clue why but one beer in the air and I can’t keep my eyes open.

That man was triggered by something more than basic irritation. Maybe he has sensory issues that flipped him into an outburst. I know someone who is a big guy with a strong voice who hates when others, especially strangers, tell him to calm down even when he's just trying to discuss something. We don't know how the flight attendants were talking to him and what they were saying at length. *Not that there's any reason for a grown man to scream and curse on a plane because a child is noisy.

For all the posters with headphones that blocks all sounds, please recommend. Mine do not, and I have long flight overseas planned. TIA

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Anonymous wrote:Wait...OP, so you really don't fly because someone might throw a temper tantrum. As in, you don't go anywhere far. At all?

Nope I think that flying used to be luxurious and now it literally is packed like sardines and everyone is hot and you are lucky to get more than 4 oz to drink and god forbid you need to go to the bathroom while the plane is on the tarmac for the 4th hour or is circling for 1.5 hours after being on a plane for 4 hours.

I will fly solo as long as I have an edible beforehand.

I am 51 years old, and can never, ever remember a time when flying was luxurious.

+1

I remember being packed in like sardines *with* cigarette smoke. We’ve come a long way, baby.

This — especially on flights I took to Europe and Asia. YMMV. Blech. The one from Eastern Europe was particularly BAD.

kids are the worst

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I understand how awful the screaming or crying is but damn if this man isn't expecting more from the child than himself.
Everyone's on edge. It's been a long day for everyone and he even admits to having headphones on and sleeping. It likely hot and the kids adult(s) stressed and it's just escalating.

Kid could have an ear infection and they didn't know. So many things and people are just wild.
I'd rather drive 10 hours than be on a plane. I don't understand how it is easier or more relaxing.

The reason why there should be child free flights. Or. Children in back area of planes. After all, under age two, they are flying for free but the rest of passengers are paying. They do not pay to hear your kid screaming. Stop flying with sick children, drive instead!

Well the child wasn’t causing the scene, the further delay, the police boarding the plane. The grown ass man was. Maybe we should ban men from flights!

The child had, apparently, been screaming for a long period of time. This caused the man to go off the deep end. The mother should have taken kid to bathroom until it stopped screaming.

They were circling the airport because of weather. Seatbelt sign was on.

No they weren’t. They hadn’t even taken off yet. Hence the DEBOARDING.

"the plane was headed to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Monday but was delayed in the air for about an hour due to weather. It was eventually diverted to Orlando International Airport (MCO).

"It was a little bumpy and uncomfortable for everyone and the child was upset, but we couldn't get up because of the weather, and we were strapped in our seats," "

Yes. I saw a video from another passenger who said that she was close to having a panic attack, because the plane had been circling because of weather, there were bumps, and the baby and this man were screaming, putting everyone on edge.

I have a question. Do people really have noise-cancelling headphones that block out the sound of babies screaming? My Bose headphones don't.

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I understand how awful the screaming or crying is but damn if this man isn't expecting more from the child than himself.
Everyone's on edge. It's been a long day for everyone and he even admits to having headphones on and sleeping. It likely hot and the kids adult(s) stressed and it's just escalating.

Kid could have an ear infection and they didn't know. So many things and people are just wild.
I'd rather drive 10 hours than be on a plane. I don't understand how it is easier or more relaxing.

The reason why there should be child free flights. Or. Children in back area of planes. After all, under age two, they are flying for free but the rest of passengers are paying. They do not pay to hear your kid screaming. Stop flying with sick children, drive instead!

Well the child wasn’t causing the scene, the further delay, the police boarding the plane. The grown ass man was. Maybe we should ban men from flights!

The child had, apparently, been screaming for a long period of time. This caused the man to go off the deep end. The mother should have taken kid to bathroom until it stopped screaming.

They were circling the airport because of weather. Seatbelt sign was on.

No they weren’t. They hadn’t even taken off yet. Hence the DEBOARDING.

"the plane was headed to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Monday but was delayed in the air for about an hour due to weather. It was eventually diverted to Orlando International Airport (MCO).

"It was a little bumpy and uncomfortable for everyone and the child was upset, but we couldn't get up because of the weather, and we were strapped in our seats," "

It doesn't happen too often, but it has always been a man (not a woman) who causes trouble. Men should not fly.

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I understand how awful the screaming or crying is but damn if this man isn't expecting more from the child than himself.
Everyone's on edge. It's been a long day for everyone and he even admits to having headphones on and sleeping. It likely hot and the kids adult(s) stressed and it's just escalating.

Kid could have an ear infection and they didn't know. So many things and people are just wild.
I'd rather drive 10 hours than be on a plane. I don't understand how it is easier or more relaxing.

The reason why there should be child free flights. Or. Children in back area of planes. After all, under age two, they are flying for free but the rest of passengers are paying. They do not pay to hear your kid screaming. Stop flying with sick children, drive instead!

Well the child wasn’t causing the scene, the further delay, the police boarding the plane. The grown ass man was. Maybe we should ban men from flights!

The child had, apparently, been screaming for a long period of time. This caused the man to go off the deep end. The mother should have taken kid to bathroom until it stopped screaming.

They were circling the airport because of weather. Seatbelt sign was on.

No they weren’t. They hadn’t even taken off yet. Hence the DEBOARDING.

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Anonymous wrote:OK. So don't fly.

Won't keep us from flying. We always bring noise-canceling headphones.

Seriously. You can’t drive to some of the most incredible destinations in this world so you are only punishing yourself. I fly 20+ times a yr and I’ve never experienced something like this.

this is op- of course, if its unreasonable to drive i would travel and fly. i probably should have put (if another forms of transport is available) but the airlines are making things miserable. that we should all agree on and if you can afford 1st class that is a totally different conversation.

last time i was on a flight i had a lady eating hot shrimp basket next to me. something has happened pretty much every single time I have flown. either overbooked and/or delayed, canceled, on the tarmac for x hours, shrimp lady, drunks vomiting, etc.

but this is also about our general attitude towards children in the US as well.

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Anonymous wrote:This does not make it right, but I think that man has mental issues or perhaps is on the spectrum. His reaction was not typical of a rational Nuro typical person.

(Personally, I would be pulling my hair out if a baby was screaming on an airplane the entire time. I just couldn’t deal with it, but I would not have the reaction he had. I also would’ve had an I also would’ve had a hard time with him screaming and ranting. And that’s why I drive everywhere, even cross country. )

I was just going to post something similar. While most people seem to sympathize with the parents/children in this case, perhaps the man has PTSD or other mental/emotional condition and the incessant crying set him off.

No one has identified whether or not the flight attendants tried to get parents to soothe child and they were lackadaisical about it. The only footage we have of them is telling the man to "calm down." Maybe he asked flight attendants (politely) to please ask parents to quiet child and he was ignored.

If you have PTSD triggered by certain noises, or ASD/sensory issues, BRING HEADPHONES or earplugs.

If you listen to the entirety of the video, the man says he had his ear phones on loud and the baby had been screaming for quite awhile over the sounds of the ear phones. I too wonder if the baby's parents tried to stop the crying. I don't believe that the man was the only person disturbed by the constant crying. He was just the only person to negatively act upon it. I have flown with a baby and yes there are ways to alleviate a baby's crying, even in the air. But of course, you can't be one of those cry-it-out parents. I don't blame the baby, but the baby's parents bare some responsibility for the selfish nonchalant behavior as well.

Nobody here knows how proactive the parents were being. All we know is that a large, loud, grown man was having a literal tantrum about a baby crying. You could barely hear the baby crying in the video, over the racket that this dude was making. And the man doesn’t know the parents weren’t trying- because according to him he was ASLEEP with headphones in.

I also thought the video was hilarious. Mainly because of how ridiculously babyish the man looked, and hos wife looking beyond embarrassed, and the flight attendant being like “yeah well it’s a baby, what’s your excuse??” Hahaha

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I understand how awful the screaming or crying is but damn if this man isn't expecting more from the child than himself.
Everyone's on edge. It's been a long day for everyone and he even admits to having headphones on and sleeping. It likely hot and the kids adult(s) stressed and it's just escalating.

Kid could have an ear infection and they didn't know. So many things and people are just wild.
I'd rather drive 10 hours than be on a plane. I don't understand how it is easier or more relaxing.

The reason why there should be child free flights. Or. Children in back area of planes. After all, under age two, they are flying for free but the rest of passengers are paying. They do not pay to hear your kid screaming. Stop flying with sick children, drive instead!

Well the child wasn’t causing the scene, the further delay, the police boarding the plane. The grown ass man was. Maybe we should ban men from flights!

The child had, apparently, been screaming for a long period of time. This caused the man to go off the deep end. The mother should have taken kid to bathroom until it stopped screaming.

They were circling the airport because of weather. Seatbelt sign was on.