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Anonymous wrote:OP's kid is definitely not in humanities or in arts. She may think she's in medicine - but who knows. Most kids know by HS graduation whether s/he wants to be in STEMs or humanities. It's pretty clear OPs kid wants to do a STEM. For this, Chicago isn't it.

Not true. College roommate wanted to be premed. Ended up as an archeology major.
Lots of kids can’t hack it at extremely challenging premed classes. (I say this as a humanities major but saw a lot of failed premed students).
The curve is very very challenging. You get weeded out. In fact, that’s what the classes are called!

- Cornell alum.

Medical School plans change, whether voluntarily or involuntarily. Anecdotally, at Cornell, rumor has it 80% of incoming freshmen with pre-med intentions never apply to medical school! That's daunting! Wonder how that compares to elsewhere.

-another Cornell alum

Similar at Rice

Anonymous wrote:OP, sharing a recent CASE experience here.

DC went to CASE with significant scholarship four years ago and was 50% pre-med and 50% undecided at that time. DC is going to start a MD program this fall. Due to that undergrad scholarship, DC is likely to graduate med school with no debt. We did not have to use 529 funds.

While Cleveland Clinic and UH offer excellent opportunities, one thing that stood out was CWRU has a good mass of premed cohort. This helped our DC stay on the premed track. Based on our experience, I can say that it is an outstanding premed school. Plenty of opportunities, good student body and professors, great research mentors etc.

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Anonymous wrote:U Chicago is incredibly difficult in mathematics, economics and econometrics and physics. i can't speak to biology, but to say it is just a social sciences school is wrong.

I can't address whether it's good for premed, because my DC is mathematics, and his best friend is doing Physics. Proof-based math at Chicago is insanely difficult, starting with the 16000 series and IBL,and getting worse from there. Economic Analysis is also proof-based, as is Investments.

If you're going to assert something, at U Chicago you need to provide the rigorous evidence or you get torn apart- so I am waiting to hear the evidence.

What is the end goal of all this? Their outcome is consistently mediocre. If that's the boosters' end goal, why bother with all this, only to end up in the same place as as many solid 2nd and 3rd tier university grads? That's assuming they survived all the shootings in Chicago.

What is the "outcome" that is mediocre at UChicago? If you're talking salary, you're probably this same person harping on about ROI. If the I (investment) is the tuition, then the R (returns) is the education. Sure, salary is important, but you go to college for an education. If the I is tuition, and the R is an education, I'd say the R at UChicago is great. Some people just don't agree that college is about education--totally your call.

Not sure what education UChicago offers that's so different from Case. It's all the same material. And during the pandemics, UChicago went online.

The fact that you are "not sure" what the difference is does not mean that there is no difference. Anyway, it's fine if you don't see or appreciate the difference. Nobody will force you to go there. For those who do choose to go, their return on their investment is a UChicago education.

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Anonymous wrote:OP's kid is definitely not in humanities or in arts. She may think she's in medicine - but who knows. Most kids know by HS graduation whether s/he wants to be in STEMs or humanities. It's pretty clear OPs kid wants to do a STEM. For this, Chicago isn't it.

Not true. College roommate wanted to be premed. Ended up as an archeology major.
Lots of kids can’t hack it at extremely challenging premed classes. (I say this as a humanities major but saw a lot of failed premed students).
The curve is very very challenging. You get weeded out. In fact, that’s what the classes are called!

- Cornell alum.

Medical School plans change, whether voluntarily or involuntarily. Anecdotally, at Cornell, rumor has it 80% of incoming freshmen with pre-med intentions never apply to medical school! That's daunting! Wonder how that compares to elsewhere.

-another Cornell alum

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Anonymous wrote:U Chicago is incredibly difficult in mathematics, economics and econometrics and physics. i can't speak to biology, but to say it is just a social sciences school is wrong.

I can't address whether it's good for premed, because my DC is mathematics, and his best friend is doing Physics. Proof-based math at Chicago is insanely difficult, starting with the 16000 series and IBL,and getting worse from there. Economic Analysis is also proof-based, as is Investments.

If you're going to assert something, at U Chicago you need to provide the rigorous evidence or you get torn apart- so I am waiting to hear the evidence.

What is the end goal of all this? Their outcome is consistently mediocre. If that's the boosters' end goal, why bother with all this, only to end up in the same place as as many solid 2nd and 3rd tier university grads? That's assuming they survived all the shootings in Chicago.

What is the "outcome" that is mediocre at UChicago? If you're talking salary, you're probably this same person harping on about ROI. If the I (investment) is the tuition, then the R (returns) is the education. Sure, salary is important, but you go to college for an education. If the I is tuition, and the R is an education, I'd say the R at UChicago is great. Some people just don't agree that college is about education--totally your call.

Not sure what education UChicago offers that's so different from Case. It's all the same material. And during the pandemics, UChicago went online.

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Anonymous wrote:OP's kid is definitely not in humanities or in arts. She may think she's in medicine - but who knows. Most kids know by HS graduation whether s/he wants to be in STEMs or humanities. It's pretty clear OPs kid wants to do a STEM. For this, Chicago isn't it.

Not true. College roommate wanted to be premed. Ended up as an archeology major.
Lots of kids can’t hack it at extremely challenging premed classes. (I say this as a humanities major but saw a lot of failed premed students).
The curve is very very challenging. You get weeded out. In fact, that’s what the classes are called!

- Cornell alum.

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Anonymous wrote:U Chicago is incredibly difficult in mathematics, economics and econometrics and physics. i can't speak to biology, but to say it is just a social sciences school is wrong.

I can't address whether it's good for premed, because my DC is mathematics, and his best friend is doing Physics. Proof-based math at Chicago is insanely difficult, starting with the 16000 series and IBL,and getting worse from there. Economic Analysis is also proof-based, as is Investments.

If you're going to assert something, at U Chicago you need to provide the rigorous evidence or you get torn apart- so I am waiting to hear the evidence.

What is the end goal of all this? Their outcome is consistently mediocre. If that's the boosters' end goal, why bother with all this, only to end up in the same place as as many solid 2nd and 3rd tier university grads? That's assuming they survived all the shootings in Chicago.

Anonymous wrote:Did OP say anything about medical school? I saw STEM but haven't read all pages. I guess this depends on your financial situation and how big the differences in costs are, unless money is no object. If money no object, I would let your child pick!