Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:33
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.
I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.
So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.
I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.
Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:31
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
America’s main core values are guns and violence.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:29
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Religion is mention in the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. It is a core value.
The core value in the 1st Amendment is that people are free to worship as they wish (or not worship).
Anonymous
03/27/2023 16:06
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.
I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.
So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.
I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:51
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Religion is mention in the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. It is a core value.
Yes, it is mentioned: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
So you're not prevented from exercising your own religion, but there is no national religion.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:44
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Religion is mention in the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights. It is a core value.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:17
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1998? Overturning roe had not happened. jan 6 had not happened. Trump had not happened. George Floyd had not happened. 9 11 had not happened. Iraq war had not happened.
Bush v Gore had not happened.
Clarence Thomas would not have been nominated. (W Bush)
The decade long assault weapons ban would not have lapsed. (W Bush)
Ukraine would be a NATO member and not at war with Russia. (W Bush flipped his support to suck the d of then conservative Ukrainian Prez who fled when Russia invaded Crimea)
Um...Clarence Thomas was nominated by George H. W. Bush.
Um ok. Given today’s school shooting killing 3 elementary age kids and adults who were likely protecting them, maybe focus on Baby Bush allowing the assault weapons ban to lapse.
+1 This and the Citizens United decision, also brought to us by Baby Bush, are the things most prominently ruining our country right now.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 15:14
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.
The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.
But there are many people in the US that value religion. And guess what, it’s ok. We have a great church that promotes love and tolerance for all. Our congregation is diverse and happy.
And that’s fine.
Has nothing to do with American “core values.”
Religion is not a value. It’s a practice of worship. Based on principles and a belief system. You can talk about religious values. But the murky term religion itself is not a value.
+1 Freedom of religion is a core American value.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:52
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1998? Overturning roe had not happened. jan 6 had not happened. Trump had not happened. George Floyd had not happened. 9 11 had not happened. Iraq war had not happened.
Bush v Gore had not happened.
Clarence Thomas would not have been nominated. (W Bush)
The decade long assault weapons ban would not have lapsed. (W Bush)
Ukraine would be a NATO member and not at war with Russia. (W Bush flipped his support to suck the d of then conservative Ukrainian Prez who fled when Russia invaded Crimea)
Um...Clarence Thomas was nominated by George H. W. Bush.
Um ok. Given today’s school shooting killing 3 elementary age kids and adults who were likely protecting them, maybe focus on Baby Bush allowing the assault weapons ban to lapse.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:39
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.
I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.
So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.
Exactly. And the life liberty and pursuit of happiness endowed my my creator includes liberty to make my own decisions about my own uterus. Funny how when you trample on folks god given rights in the name of religion they are not thrilled about that religion.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:37
Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't the non-religious be celebrating that the love of money is growing in our nation? Americans are ditching anything that gets in the way of money, like kids(the tuition!), religion(the tithing!), hard work(get rich quick!), patriotism(let others serve/die!). Isn't this great?
LOL look at how much money the LDS church has.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:36
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
“In God We Trust”
Sound familiar?
Dates back all the way to 1956
This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document
And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.
I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.
So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:35
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
It is for a lot of families.
And not for many others. You don't need to force others into your religious beliefs. You do you
You adhere to unprovable religious beliefs whether you admit it or not.
I would not even have my beloved IVF family if I had held onto to my old unprovable religious beliefs. My beautiful children were created against the teaching of my old religion. They are awesome.
I don't think you understand my point. Your believe in love and beauty, it seems. OK, prove to me love and beauty exist. And show your work.
I never said I don't have spiritual beliefs. I said if I adhered to the tenants of my former religion, I would not have my fantastic kids.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:34
Subject: Re:U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't the non-religious be celebrating that the love of money is growing in our nation? Americans are ditching anything that gets in the way of money, like kids(the tuition!), religion(the tithing!), hard work(get rich quick!), patriotism(let others serve/die!). Isn't this great?
You’re looking at the symptoms.
Anonymous
03/27/2023 14:34
Subject: U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?
Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.
DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?
Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.
The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.
But there are many people in the US that value religion. And guess what, it’s ok. We have a great church that promotes love and tolerance for all. Our congregation is diverse and happy.
And that’s fine.
Has nothing to do with American “core values.”
Religion is not a value. It’s a practice of worship. Based on principles and a belief system. You can talk about religious values. But the murky term religion itself is not a value.