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Anonymous wrote:An objective indicator of elite status is a school's total endowment. The recently released (Feb., 2023) endowment figures show a decline from last year. The top 10 schools by total endowment are:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Stanford
4) Princeton
5) MIT

6) U Penn
7) U Michigan
8) Notre Dame
9) Northwestern
10) Columbia

The next seven are:

11) WashUStL
12) Duke
13) Vanderbilt
14) Emory
15) U Virginia
16) Cornell
17) Johns Hopkins

Can you provide a link to this list? As of September of 2022. The University of Texas was on track to overtake Harvard for the largest endowment. How could UT fall out of the top ten in less than a year?

According to the American Council on Education, an endowment is “an aggregation of assets invested by a college or university to support its educational and research mission in perpetuity.”

Land operated by the University of Texas System yields an endowment asset of approximately $6 million per day. According to Bloomberg News, the university’s endowment is poised to surpass Harvard, which would render UT the wealthiest university in the world (it is currently in second place).

Anonymous wrote:An objective indicator of elite status is a school's total endowment. The recently released (Feb., 2023) endowment figures show a decline from last year. The top 10 schools by total endowment are:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Stanford
4) Princeton
5) MIT

6) U Penn
7) U Michigan
8) Notre Dame
9) Northwestern
10) Columbia

The next seven are:

11) WashUStL
12) Duke
13) Vanderbilt
14) Emory
15) U Virginia
16) Cornell
17) Johns Hopkins

Anonymous wrote:My definition is just the T15 schools:

HYPSM
Caltech
Columbia
Penn
Chicago
Northwestern
Duke
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
JHU

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Anonymous wrote:To me elite means if you want, you can get a your foot in the door in almost any career without too much difficulty based on the reputability of the degree/strength of the alumni base (and of course with some relevant skills on the kid’s behalf). I would say

Group 1: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Group 2: Yale, Duke, UPenn, Columbia, Caltech

Group 3: Dartmouth, Brown, Northwestern, UChicago, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Pomona

Group 4: Georgetown, WashU, Notre Dame, etc…

Anything in the top 3 groups is probably fair to consider “universally elite” if one wants to be safe. Some may not know the LACs as well though so beware of that

What kind of ridiculous logic does it take to 1) tier elite colleges and then 2) decide yale is somehow in a second tier? Where is you logic, your metrics, your analytics? Oh, you don't have any and you pulled this right out of your a$$? Ok, makes sense now.

The whole thing makes NO sense and you should stop.

It’s fair to put Yale a tier lower honestly. The tier 1 schools excel across the board whereas Yale has been lacking in STEM for decades. Yale STEM is not bad by any means of course but not the best of the best like the rest of tier 1. This is also reflected by the fact that the tier 1 schools (HPSM) don’t have to offer any scholarships or special programs to recruit students. All of the tier 2 schools (including Yale) have special scholarship programs.

Harvard does not excel in STEM as well and thus the decline for the past decade or so. The decline may accelerate if the near future due to increasing importance of technology and STEM in general. I know someone who received both BS and MS in CS from Harvard and is working for Capitol One...

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

HYPSM + Ivies
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Caltech
Johns Hopkins
Williams
Amherst

That's it. The rest of the top 20-30 are "top schools" but I would not categorize them as elite.

Remove Northwestern from "elite."

Then you need to eliminate half of the Ivy League schools, Johns Hopkins, Williams, & Amherst as well.

That’s the point isn’t it. Only several are really elite. The rest are good but not that meaningfully distinguishable from number 50+ ranked college.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard will fall out of top 10 unless they invest in STEM (CS) heavily for the next 10 years.

Harvard is already out of top 5 for many people.

Yes, right, and the evidence of that is their plummeting academic statistics for enrolled students, the precipitous drop in the number of applications, and the acceptance rate rocketing up.

/geez

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Anonymous wrote:Five seconds on this board indicates that “top colleges” are, actually, an obsession for so many people.

This thread has made me laugh so hard. Thanks all!

It is reductive Neanderthal behavior to take all the nuanced aspects of colleges and form a single ranking for the entire school, every department, every major and think it will be meaningful.

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Anonymous wrote:Five seconds on this board indicates that “top colleges” are, actually, an obsession for so many people.

This thread has made me laugh so hard. Thanks all!

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Anonymous wrote:Elite:

HYPSM + Ivies
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Caltech
Johns Hopkins
Williams
Amherst

That's it. The rest of the top 20-30 are "top schools" but I would not categorize them as elite.

Skip Duke and Hopkins and I'll buy it.

and cmon folks, deep down no one really considers Williams or Amherst elite. Great schools but meh prestige. Williams alumns always have to
mention LAC ranking when explaining where they went

+100

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard will fall out of top 10 unless they invest in STEM (CS) heavily for the next 10 years.

Harvard is already out of top 5 for many people.