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Anonymous wrote:This is a feature, not a bug, of the GQP Christofascist agenda. If the poor sluts die in childbirth, it’s that much easier to steal their babies and give them to “more deserving” couples without any of that welfare or open adoption nonsense. Everyone knows good wealthy Christian women won’t die, they’ll always get good care.

Do you even hear yourself?
Nobody is "stealing" babies. Good God. You people are sick.

What’s your explanation for why “you people” let mothers die in childbirth, then?

Nobody "lets" mothers die in childbirth. Who are you to ask such a question?!
There are risks with ANY medical procedure. Childbirth is one of those. Especially when the mother has underlying medical conditions, is obese, or has ignored prenatal care check ups.
It is tragic when a woman dies during childbirth, or shortly thereafter. A baby is left without a mother and if she is married, a spouse without a partner. And, if she has any other children they are without a mother as well.
Nobody "lets" it happen.
And, despite the risks, millions of women give birth every year. And will continue to do so. The alternative is not having children at all. Which would mean the end of the human race.
Is this what you want?

Blaming the expectant mother. Of course.

I am not blaming the mother. I am stating facts. Science. It is a fact that underlying medical conditions, obesity, and lack of proper prenatal care lead to bad outcomes.
Are you unaware of these facts?

In rural areas, a woman who might or might not have reliable transportation may have to travel 100 miles each way to get pre-natal care. Which is only available 9-5, the hours she works. She misses work for an MD visit, she doesn’t eat. Are you unaware of these facts?

People in rural areas receive less and lesser care across the board. This isn't limited to pregnancy. I worked with the Medicaid population and let me tell you, even with free prenatal care, even with a ride to take them there and back, they are not good at presenting for care. Don't even get me started on how many of them care for their kids. The reason it is hard to find a decent provider who takes medicaid patients is that they are notorious no shows and notoriously non compliant. These are difficult populations to treat and being well meaning and well funded isn't enough.

You’re so intent on blaming the disadvantaged for having disadvantages.

People who have never worked with then disadvantaged love the idea that you can fix all this with just good intentions. People are complicated and really really difficult to “fix”.

Facts are facts - the abortion restrictions in half of America has directly led to many more maternal and infant deaths. Such tragic irony that this fanaticism in the name of saving life is contributing to so much death - and worse health care for those who survive this highly poor risky time in women’s lives.

The U.S. Maternal Health Divide: The Limited Maternal Health Services and Worse Outcomes of States Proposing New Abortion Restrictions
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2022/dec/us-maternal-health-divide-limited-services-worse-outcomes
Abstract
* Issue: In response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade, a number of states have passed, or are planning to pass, partial or complete bans on abortion. A key question is whether these restrictions will result in reduced overall access to maternal and infant care, as well as worse health outcomes, in these states.
* Goals: Compare the current status of maternal and infant health in states that have or are likely to have bans or restrictions on abortion access with states that will preserve abortion access and consider how new abortion restrictions could affect maternal and infant health in the future.
* Methods: We drew on public data sources such as the CDC WONDER birth and death files, Area Health Resources Files, and the March of Dimes maternity care deserts report. We stratified states based on Guttmacher Institute ratings of the restrictiveness of state abortion policies.
* Key Findings and Conclusions: Compared to states where abortion is accessible, states that have banned, are planning to ban, or have otherwise restricted abortion have fewer maternity care providers; more maternity care “deserts”; higher rates of maternal mortality and infant death, especially among women of color; higher overall death rates for women of reproductive age; and greater racial inequities across their health care systems.


States with more abortion restrictions have higher maternal and infant mortality, report finds
Maternal death rates in states that restricted abortion were 62% higher than in states where abortion was more easily accessible, new research showed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna61585
c. 14, 2022, 12:01 AM EST
By Doha Madan
New research released Wednesday adds to a growing body of evidence showing a link between more restrictive abortion policies and higher rates of maternal and infant mortality.
The analysis comes from the Commonwealth Fund, an independent research organization focused on health policy. It found that strict restrictions on abortion are associated with poorer access to health care for pregnant people and infants, which in turn raises the risk of negative outcomes such as mental health challenges and death.



Study finds higher maternal mortality rates in states with more abortion restrictions
https://sph.tulane.edu/news/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality-rates-states-more-abortion-restrictions
Mon, 08/23/2021 - 13:15

States with more restrictive abortion policy climate have higher total maternal mortality, measured as a death during pregnancy or within one year following the end of a pregnancy, a recent study conducted by a team of Tulane researchers finds. 

The US maternal mortality rates remain consistently higher compared to other wealthy countries. Concurrently, the past decades have witnessed an increasing passage of policies and regulations restricting access to abortion care across many states, despite abortion being legal since Roe v. Wade (1973). As a result, access to abortion care varies greatly across the US, with six states having only one abortion clinic in operation. 

Using the national maternal mortality data accessed from the National Center for Health Statistics, the researchers examined the associations between the state abortion policy context in 2015 and maternal death during 2015-2018. The state abortion policy climate was assessed by compiling an abortion policy composite index of eight abortion restrictions (e.g. gestational age limits, ultrasound requirements, mandatory counseling and waiting periods, insurance coverage limitations and targeted regulations on abortion providers)

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Anonymous wrote:obesity, drugs and alcohol

Yep. You have one of these conditions, your complications will be higher, no matter how good your medical care is. Medicine can’t undue the negative effects and treatment complications of these conditions

You have a lack of medical care and your complications will be higher. You have states that intentionally denied medical care to poor women and wow look at that, have higher maternal mortality rates. This is not happening by accident.

What are you taking about? Abortions?

Because ANY and ALL pregnant women have access to medical care and Medicaid if needed. No one is being denied medical care while pregnant. Abortion is a separate issue and isn’t the cause for the higher mortality rates overall. Obesity, drugs, alcohol are. If can’t manage the basic of self care then you can’t expect medicine to magically make all things better and fine for you

Not really true.

Still Many people who earn too much to qualify for Medicare but not enough to pay for insurance.

Many hospitals (especially in red states) are cutting maternity services due to high expense and political interference in women’s reproductive health.

Many doctors are avoiding ob/gyn specialty altogether now.

Poorest women who can least afford to have more children on top of existing children, and more likely to be obese due to poor diet (with increased maternal complications, diabetes and heart disease) are disproportionately impacted by abortion restrictions.

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Anonymous wrote:obesity, drugs and alcohol

Yep. You have one of these conditions, your complications will be higher, no matter how good your medical care is. Medicine can’t undue the negative effects and treatment complications of these conditions

You have a lack of medical care and your complications will be higher. You have states that intentionally denied medical care to poor women and wow look at that, have higher maternal mortality rates. This is not happening by accident.

What are you taking about? Abortions?

Because ANY and ALL pregnant women have access to medical care and Medicaid if needed. No one is being denied medical care while pregnant. Abortion is a separate issue and isn’t the cause for the higher mortality rates overall. Obesity, drugs, alcohol are. If can’t manage the basic of self care then you can’t expect medicine to magically make all things better and fine for you

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Anonymous wrote:This is a feature, not a bug, of the GQP Christofascist agenda. If the poor sluts die in childbirth, it’s that much easier to steal their babies and give them to “more deserving” couples without any of that welfare or open adoption nonsense. Everyone knows good wealthy Christian women won’t die, they’ll always get good care.

Do you even hear yourself?
Nobody is "stealing" babies. Good God. You people are sick.

What’s your explanation for why “you people” let mothers die in childbirth, then?

Nobody "lets" mothers die in childbirth. Who are you to ask such a question?!
There are risks with ANY medical procedure. Childbirth is one of those. Especially when the mother has underlying medical conditions, is obese, or has ignored prenatal care check ups.
It is tragic when a woman dies during childbirth, or shortly thereafter. A baby is left without a mother and if she is married, a spouse without a partner. And, if she has any other children they are without a mother as well.
Nobody "lets" it happen.
And, despite the risks, millions of women give birth every year. And will continue to do so. The alternative is not having children at all. Which would mean the end of the human race.
Is this what you want?

Blaming the expectant mother. Of course.

I am not blaming the mother. I am stating facts. Science. It is a fact that underlying medical conditions, obesity, and lack of proper prenatal care lead to bad outcomes.
Are you unaware of these facts?

In rural areas, a woman who might or might not have reliable transportation may have to travel 100 miles each way to get pre-natal care. Which is only available 9-5, the hours she works. She misses work for an MD visit, she doesn’t eat. Are you unaware of these facts?

People in rural areas receive less and lesser care across the board. This isn't limited to pregnancy. I worked with the Medicaid population and let me tell you, even with free prenatal care, even with a ride to take them there and back, they are not good at presenting for care. Don't even get me started on how many of them care for their kids. The reason it is hard to find a decent provider who takes medicaid patients is that they are notorious no shows and notoriously non compliant. These are difficult populations to treat and being well meaning and well funded isn't enough.

You’re so intent on blaming the disadvantaged for having disadvantages.

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Anonymous wrote:obesity, drugs and alcohol

Yep. You have one of these conditions, your complications will be higher, no matter how good your medical care is. Medicine can’t undue the negative effects and treatment complications of these conditions

You have a lack of medical care and your complications will be higher. You have states that intentionally denied medical care to poor women and wow look at that, have higher maternal mortality rates. This is not happening by accident.

Anonymous wrote:obesity, drugs and alcohol

Yep. You have one of these conditions, your complications will be higher, no matter how good your medical care is. Medicine can’t undue the negative effects and treatment complications of these conditions

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest causes of maternal mortality are hemorrhage, infection and issues related to hypertension (pre-eclampsia). The truth is Americans are unhealthier as a whole compared to other countries. A lot of pregnant women are overweight which leads to a higher chance of complications. In addition we do a lot more unnecessary interventions which can lead a woman down a more dangerous path. A long induction with pitocin for example increases a woman's chance of hemorrhage. Our c/s rate is extremely high compared to other countries and any surgery comes with a risk of more complications such as infection.

This sounds like a lot of talking points without much evidence to back them up. Our health care is structured to prefer OBGYN and hospital care, so you are comparing apples to oranges. And hypertension doesn't always equal pre-eclampsia and you can get pre-eclampsia even if you have never had hypertension. As far as Americans being less healthier - correct. And our healthcare establishment and our infrastructure do little to assist in that regard. It's not exactly a slam dunk to admit that out healthcare is ineffective, which leads to a less healthy population, and therefore of course our maternal mortality rate is the highest of all developed countries.

Well I am a labor/delivery nurse so I have knowledge and experience in this area and you can easily google the top causes of death. And I never said hypertension always leads to pre-eclampsia. Some pregnant women have chronic hypertension while others develop pre-eclampsia during the pregnancy. Of course there are bigger reasons behind those causes including racism, lack of access to quality prenatal care, elevated rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension etc. The maternal mortality rate is also significantly higher for black women which is another big concern.

Dp- I promise you the people passing these laws don’t have any concerns for pregnant women of color.

I promise you all the laws being passed on this issue are meant to be applied mostly to women of color. The confederacy lost but went underground.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a feature, not a bug, of the GQP Christofascist agenda. If the poor sluts die in childbirth, it’s that much easier to steal their babies and give them to “more deserving” couples without any of that welfare or open adoption nonsense. Everyone knows good wealthy Christian women won’t die, they’ll always get good care.

Do you even hear yourself?
Nobody is "stealing" babies. Good God. You people are sick.

What’s your explanation for why “you people” let mothers die in childbirth, then?

Nobody "lets" mothers die in childbirth. Who are you to ask such a question?!
There are risks with ANY medical procedure. Childbirth is one of those. Especially when the mother has underlying medical conditions, is obese, or has ignored prenatal care check ups.
It is tragic when a woman dies during childbirth, or shortly thereafter. A baby is left without a mother and if she is married, a spouse without a partner. And, if she has any other children they are without a mother as well.
Nobody "lets" it happen.
And, despite the risks, millions of women give birth every year. And will continue to do so. The alternative is not having children at all. Which would mean the end of the human race.
Is this what you want?

Blaming the expectant mother. Of course.

I am not blaming the mother. I am stating facts. Science. It is a fact that underlying medical conditions, obesity, and lack of proper prenatal care lead to bad outcomes.
Are you unaware of these facts?

In rural areas, a woman who might or might not have reliable transportation may have to travel 100 miles each way to get pre-natal care. Which is only available 9-5, the hours she works. She misses work for an MD visit, she doesn’t eat. Are you unaware of these facts?

People in rural areas receive less and lesser care across the board. This isn't limited to pregnancy. I worked with the Medicaid population and let me tell you, even with free prenatal care, even with a ride to take them there and back, they are not good at presenting for care. Don't even get me started on how many of them care for their kids. The reason it is hard to find a decent provider who takes medicaid patients is that they are notorious no shows and notoriously non compliant. These are difficult populations to treat and being well meaning and well funded isn't enough.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest causes of maternal mortality are hemorrhage, infection and issues related to hypertension (pre-eclampsia). The truth is Americans are unhealthier as a whole compared to other countries. A lot of pregnant women are overweight which leads to a higher chance of complications. In addition we do a lot more unnecessary interventions which can lead a woman down a more dangerous path. A long induction with pitocin for example increases a woman's chance of hemorrhage. Our c/s rate is extremely high compared to other countries and any surgery comes with a risk of more complications such as infection.

This sounds like a lot of talking points without much evidence to back them up. Our health care is structured to prefer OBGYN and hospital care, so you are comparing apples to oranges. And hypertension doesn't always equal pre-eclampsia and you can get pre-eclampsia even if you have never had hypertension. As far as Americans being less healthier - correct. And our healthcare establishment and our infrastructure do little to assist in that regard. It's not exactly a slam dunk to admit that out healthcare is ineffective, which leads to a less healthy population, and therefore of course our maternal mortality rate is the highest of all developed countries.

Well I am a labor/delivery nurse so I have knowledge and experience in this area and you can easily google the top causes of death. And I never said hypertension always leads to pre-eclampsia. Some pregnant women have chronic hypertension while others develop pre-eclampsia during the pregnancy. Of course there are bigger reasons behind those causes including racism, lack of access to quality prenatal care, elevated rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension etc. The maternal mortality rate is also significantly higher for black women which is another big concern.

Dp- I promise you the people passing these laws don’t have any concerns for pregnant women of color.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest causes of maternal mortality are hemorrhage, infection and issues related to hypertension (pre-eclampsia). The truth is Americans are unhealthier as a whole compared to other countries. A lot of pregnant women are overweight which leads to a higher chance of complications. In addition we do a lot more unnecessary interventions which can lead a woman down a more dangerous path. A long induction with pitocin for example increases a woman's chance of hemorrhage. Our c/s rate is extremely high compared to other countries and any surgery comes with a risk of more complications such as infection.

This sounds like a lot of talking points without much evidence to back them up. Our health care is structured to prefer OBGYN and hospital care, so you are comparing apples to oranges. And hypertension doesn't always equal pre-eclampsia and you can get pre-eclampsia even if you have never had hypertension. As far as Americans being less healthier - correct. And our healthcare establishment and our infrastructure do little to assist in that regard. It's not exactly a slam dunk to admit that out healthcare is ineffective, which leads to a less healthy population, and therefore of course our maternal mortality rate is the highest of all developed countries.

Well I am a labor/delivery nurse so I have knowledge and experience in this area and you can easily google the top causes of death. And I never said hypertension always leads to pre-eclampsia. Some pregnant women have chronic hypertension while others develop pre-eclampsia during the pregnancy. Of course there are bigger reasons behind those causes including racism, lack of access to quality prenatal care, elevated rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension etc. The maternal mortality rate is also significantly higher for black women which is another big concern.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are pure evil.

They’ve been so for a while. This woman miscarried in 2020 and was jailed in 2021 and she’s hardly the first example.

“The autopsy report states the child tested positive for methamphetamine, amphetamine and another drug in the liver and brain.

The report also determined the infant was between 15 to 17 weeks gestation at the time of death. The Medical Examiner detected a congenital abnormality, placental abruption and chorioamnionitis as well.”

It was the drug use while pregnant that damaged her child.

Look up the terms congenital abnormality and chorioamnionitis.

The GOP is getting closer to the "good old days"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-hospital-stop-delivering-babies-013517082.html
Rural Idaho hospital to stop delivering babies because of new laws.

Guess conservative Idaho women will just have to give birth at home without a doctor, as they did in the old days.

Well, the GOP wants to go back to the "good old days" when even more women died in childbirth, so maternal mortality rates still have some room to rise.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are pure evil.

They’ve been so for a while. This woman miscarried in 2020 and was jailed in 2021 and she’s hardly the first example.

“The autopsy report states the child tested positive for methamphetamine, amphetamine and another drug in the liver and brain.

The report also determined the infant was between 15 to 17 weeks gestation at the time of death. The Medical Examiner detected a congenital abnormality, placental abruption and chorioamnionitis as well.”

It was the drug use while pregnant that damaged her child.