Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:43
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Colleges preach diversity, equity & inclusion.
In reality, they only want kids who were lucky enough to go to “good” high schools that teach to the level of AP exams.
In reality, they only want kids who were lucky enough to go to “good” high schools that teach to the level of AP exams.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:40
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
It’s laughable that you think AP scores matter.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:39
Subject: AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:I am curious about why Black and Brown student's pass rate is much lower than their white and Asian counterparts.
You can’t be serious.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:37
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
You don't have to submit AP test scores to get admitted and, if you do, the UCs don't count them against you.
So, if you otherwise have a high GPA/SAT/ACT plus good extracurrics plus hook(s) you could get in regardless of whether you had some 3s on AP tests.
UCs won’t look at SAT scores or letters of recommendation. And most kids that apply out of state have a 4.0 GPA or above. So those AP scores do matter.
Someone should tell the UCs that not every school district in Ca or the U.S. pays for AP exams. At many districts, the student/family is on their own to pay the $90/exam.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:35
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.
So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)
Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.
But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.
Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.
Does this data exist for charters?
They take foreign language AP tests in 8th.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:35
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
You don't have to submit AP test scores to get admitted and, if you do, the UCs don't count them against you.
So, if you otherwise have a high GPA/SAT/ACT plus good extracurrics plus hook(s) you could get in regardless of whether you had some 3s on AP tests.
UCs won’t look at SAT scores or letters of recommendation. And most kids that apply out of state have a 4.0 GPA or above. So those AP scores do matter.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:34
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
Colleges care about class rigor, SAT scores & weighted GPA. AP scores don’t really matter for admissions purposes.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:33
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
You don't have to submit AP test scores to get admitted and, if you do, the UCs don't count them against you.
So, if you otherwise have a high GPA/SAT/ACT plus good extracurrics plus hook(s) you could get in regardless of whether you had some 3s on AP tests.
What do you mean they don’t count them against you? Come on not submitting indicates a low score. Submitting low scores is an indicator of lack of mastery or shows that the A you earned was probably inflated.
Depends on what school district you’re applying from. Many school districts don’t pay for non-FARMs students to take the exams. They’re $90 a pop.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:31
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:My kid had a 2 in one AP and a 3 in another AP.
He did not submit those scores but submitted a handful of other AP scores that were 5s.
He got into an Ivy. His school transcript was mostly all As with a couple of Bs.
The AP he got a 2 in, the teacher for that subject in 10th grade was terrible and the 11th grade subject teacher quit in August and he had no teacher for several months. Of course, colleges did not know the background. DCPS teaching can be very uneven even for AP level subjects
Right but submitted 5s. No one is saying you need to get all 5s to be admitted but if you take 6 APs between sophomore and junior year and get all 3s you aren’t getting into an Ivy without a big hook.
Anonymous
05/23/2023 12:21
Subject: AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Pro tip: you can look up the AP and IB courses at each school on the AP and IB web sites.
How do you find this on the AP website?
Anonymous
05/23/2023 11:06
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.
So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)
Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.
But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.
Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.
Does this data exist for charters?
CHEC gets these numbers by having students who are native Spanish speakers take AP Spanish language. If you remove that you have numbers similar to all the other non selective DCPS schools. Almost no one passes a non ap Spanish course at CHEC.
Anonymous
03/19/2023 12:07
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
My kid had a 2 in one AP and a 3 in another AP.
He did not submit those scores but submitted a handful of other AP scores that were 5s.
He got into an Ivy. His school transcript was mostly all As with a couple of Bs.
The AP he got a 2 in, the teacher for that subject in 10th grade was terrible and the 11th grade subject teacher quit in August and he had no teacher for several months. Of course, colleges did not know the background. DCPS teaching can be very uneven even for AP level subjects
He did not submit those scores but submitted a handful of other AP scores that were 5s.
He got into an Ivy. His school transcript was mostly all As with a couple of Bs.
The AP he got a 2 in, the teacher for that subject in 10th grade was terrible and the 11th grade subject teacher quit in August and he had no teacher for several months. Of course, colleges did not know the background. DCPS teaching can be very uneven even for AP level subjects
Anonymous
03/19/2023 09:13
Subject: AP Test Passage By High School
People who actually care about UC admissions don’t need to rely on speculation. The UC system publishes detailed admissions data by high school. It is totally uncorrelated with the AP/IB pass rate data reported by OSSE.
Anonymous
03/18/2023 23:18
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
You don't have to submit AP test scores to get admitted and, if you do, the UCs don't count them against you.
So, if you otherwise have a high GPA/SAT/ACT plus good extracurrics plus hook(s) you could get in regardless of whether you had some 3s on AP tests.
What do you mean they don’t count them against you? Come on not submitting indicates a low score. Submitting low scores is an indicator of lack of mastery or shows that the A you earned was probably inflated.
Exactly, not submitting implied that you got a low score. If the transcript shows an A in the AP course, then it absolutely correlates with grade inflation or lack of rigor in the course.
The colleges are not stupid. They have been around the block a few times with this show.
Reality is the UC especially UCLA, the kids getting in are not mediocre kids getting 3 on AP. It’s ultra-competitive even within the state and lots of stellar applicants are not getting.
Anonymous
03/18/2023 22:20
Subject: Re:AP Test Passage By High School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t know of any college that takes 3. I went to a state school and they only took 4 or 5.
It’s not elite only schools that take 4 or 5. This is the norm.
There are outlier schools who might take a 3 but not common and likely bottom of the heap.
Tons of schools give college credit for 3 but, sure, they are not T25 schools or anything close.
UCLA is a T25 school that gives credit for 3s.
https://admission.ucla.edu/admitted-students/ap-credit-the-college
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315
I stand corrected. UCLA is tied for #20 with UC Berkeley and both gives credit credit for 3s on AP tests.
In contrast, if you look at (say) NYU (#25) you need at least a 4 on an AP test to get college credit.
I guess the advice is: if your kid is bad at AP tests and wants to graduate in 3 years, he or she should apply to one of the UCs.
Good luck getting into UCs out of state with a bunch of 2s and 3s on APs. Those schools are incredibly competitive.
This. It’s laughable to even think a kid is going to have a chance with 3 on AP. Seriously.
You don't have to submit AP test scores to get admitted and, if you do, the UCs don't count them against you.
So, if you otherwise have a high GPA/SAT/ACT plus good extracurrics plus hook(s) you could get in regardless of whether you had some 3s on AP tests.
What do you mean they don’t count them against you? Come on not submitting indicates a low score. Submitting low scores is an indicator of lack of mastery or shows that the A you earned was probably inflated.