Anonymous
02/26/2023 14:15
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
You have proved that you did not read the post you are responding. You have no evidence that there was anything before the Big Bang. You are making a gigantic presupposition. A bunch of them in fact, because you are assuming that there was a “before’ , that it had a cause, and that that cause was supernatural and you have no reason or evidence for any of those claims. The Big Bang might be the beginning of time.
It’s OK to say we don’t know yet. Because we don’t know yet.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:54
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Gravity. It had to have existed before the big bang, or the big bang couldn't have happened.
Gravity requires mass to exist
I don't know what you're trying to say, but everything released in the big bang existed before the big bang. It wasn't created by the big bang
That is not the theory …
Yes it is.
There is no consensus on that point …
The theory (and scientific theory is not the same as social science theory but requires enormous evidence and consensus to gain traction) - the universe began as just a single point, then expanded and stretched to grow as large as it is right now—and it is still stretching!
However, this allows room for many questions about the single point even if we accept the more recent theory of the process for before the Big Bang - see prior post on this.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:52
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
No one can ever know when you put it like that. So what's your answer?
The Big Bang together with complex human consciousness that lends itself towards seeking moral order that cannot be explained away by evolution (although I do believe in evolution) lead me to believe in the existence of a loving God/ divine mystery that transcends time and space.
This is exactly how religions started. A way to explain the mysteries of nature.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:42
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Gravity. It had to have existed before the big bang, or the big bang couldn't have happened.
Gravity requires mass to exist
I don't know what you're trying to say, but everything released in the big bang existed before the big bang. It wasn't created by the big bang
That is not the theory …
Yes it is.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:42
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First religions were prehistoric.
Prehistoric humans believes supernatural forces have control over their world, including death. Supernatural forces explain the unknown. Man repeats certain rituals in attempt to influence supernatural force. Rinse. Repeat.
prehistoric means before records were kept. We have only legends of what they truly believed. You don’t know, I don’t know, nobody knows…because they kept no records.
There’s no rinsing and repeating that.
We know prehistoric people had beliefs and rituals from their burial sites.
The same phenomenon happened all over the world.
We don’t know what they believed, and now, we have recognized and recorded belief systems.
We don't know specifically what they believed, but they believed in something beyond death/supernatural.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:42
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
No one can ever know when you put it like that. So what's your answer?
The Big Bang together with complex human consciousness that lends itself towards seeking moral order that cannot be explained away by evolution (although I do believe in evolution) lead me to believe in the existence of a loving God/ divine mystery that transcends time and space.
Well, those are two very different things. Mystery yes, but if everything had to be created what created God? (I think we all know the answer to that one).
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:41
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Gravity. It had to have existed before the big bang, or the big bang couldn't have happened.
Gravity requires mass to exist
I don't know what you're trying to say, but everything released in the big bang existed before the big bang. It wasn't created by the big bang
That is not the theory …
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:41
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pagans killed animals humans, in ritual fashion, with their blood being poured into bowls or onto stones. Twigs were dipped into the liquid and shaken, throwing a spray onto the onlookers and the buildings.
No thanks, that is gross and weird and disgusting.
Better than eating flesh or drinking blood?
Who eats flesh and drinks blood?
Catholics.
They do not. There is no human or animal flesh or blood in any church I know of. You are a weirdo.
Huh? That’s what they think:
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2011/08/06/the-eucharist-a-cannibalism/
“If Catholics believe the Eucharist really is the body and blood of Christ, then they believe they are eating human flesh and drinking human blood.”
You are being dishonest and disingenuous in your post. You put quotation marks around the question another person asked (the author of the article you linked) and pretended it is an answer that supports your opinion on Catholics “eating human flesh and blood.”
If you are going to distort the debate and openly lie, you know you are fighting a losing battle to prove your opinion correct.
Are you the same poster that claimed thunder “strikes?” It’s good you post anonymously on the internet, because you’d be eaten alive (flesh and blood!) in a real world debate.haha I crack myself up!
Did you actually read it? It was written by a Catholic scholar.
Anyway, the Eucharist is a Catholic belief, even if most Catholics don't necessarily believe it anymore.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/05/transubstantiation-eucharist-u-s-catholics/
"Transubstantiation – the idea that during Mass, the bread and wine used for Communion become the body and blood of Jesus Christ – is central to the Catholic faith. Indeed, the Catholic Church teaches that “the Eucharist is ‘the source and summit of the Christian life.’”
But a new Pew Research Center survey finds that most self-described Catholics don’t believe this core teaching. In fact, nearly seven-in-ten Catholics (69%) say they personally believe that during Catholic Mass, the bread and wine used in Communion “are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ.” Just one-third of U.S. Catholics (31%) say they believe that “during Catholic Mass, the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Jesus.”"
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:40
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pagans killed animals humans, in ritual fashion, with their blood being poured into bowls or onto stones. Twigs were dipped into the liquid and shaken, throwing a spray onto the onlookers and the buildings.
No thanks, that is gross and weird and disgusting.
Better than eating flesh or drinking blood?
Who eats flesh and drinks blood?
Catholics.
They do not. There is no human or animal flesh or blood in any church I know of. You are a weirdo.
Shows what you know. We were taught that the priest converts bread and wine to LITERALLY the body and blood of Jesus.
I am not aware of any Catholics or Episcopalians who interpret the Eucharist as anything other than symbolic …
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:39
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Gravity. It had to have existed before the big bang, or the big bang couldn't have happened.
Gravity requires mass to exist
I don't know what you're trying to say, but everything released in the big bang existed before the big bang. It wasn't created by the big bang
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:34
Subject: What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pagans killed animals humans, in ritual fashion, with their blood being poured into bowls or onto stones. Twigs were dipped into the liquid and shaken, throwing a spray onto the onlookers and the buildings.
No thanks, that is gross and weird and disgusting.
Better than eating flesh or drinking blood?
Who eats flesh and drinks blood?
Catholics.
They do not. There is no human or animal flesh or blood in any church I know of. You are a weirdo.
Shows what you know. We were taught that the priest converts bread and wine to LITERALLY the body and blood of Jesus.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:31
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Gravity. It had to have existed before the big bang, or the big bang couldn't have happened.
Gravity requires mass to exist
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:30
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
No one can ever know when you put it like that. So what's your answer?
The Big Bang together with complex human consciousness that lends itself towards seeking moral order that cannot be explained away by evolution (although I do believe in evolution) lead me to believe in the existence of a loving God/ divine mystery that transcends time and space.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:28
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
Gravity. It had to have existed before the big bang, or the big bang couldn't have happened.
Anonymous
02/26/2023 13:11
Subject: Re:What was the first Religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
… Astro physicists can explain how the Big Bang unfolded (even if some assumptions are being turned upside down) but not how something came out nothing.
You took an otherwise intelligent post and ruined it with this first grade level rhetoric.
You dont know that time was infinite in both directions and you can’t even define nothing.
Ok wise one - explain the Big Bang to me - how did something come out of nothing … what existed prior to the Big Bang?
No one can ever know when you put it like that. So what's your answer?