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Anonymous wrote:Last year mine got deferrals from all 3 Ivies he applied to, full ride from state flagship honors program with CS major, full pay from top LAC, half tuition scholarship from a non-ivy top 10. In hindsight, its great he didn't get into Ivies as full pay sticker price would've seriously weakened our finances.

Need based aid?

How do you get deferred from 3 Ivies? All Ivies are either ED or single choice early action, meaning you can only apply early to one Ivy, no? Do you mean you kid was waitlisted?

I am the poster above that asked this too. I'll bet you're right.

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The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

A 1985 publication with an errant possessive in the title is hardly tge standard bearer for current terminology. And, the notion is ridiculous. Ivy League is a sports league of certain colleges. They need there own catch phrase!

I hope none of my kids apply to schools gaming the system such as Northeastern, who have no supplemental essays and are strident about test-optional. I don't want my family inflating their numbers.

And to answer another PP, who cautions against applying EA when schools have ED, my senior got into his two target/safeties in EA, when both schools also had ED. He customized his essays to each of them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is probably what PP means:

The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

Wow, can't believe editors missed typo in title: it's Ivies, not Ivy's

I saw that and chuckled 😀.

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all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

It sounds like you got bad advice when you developed your list of schools. Safety schools aren't asking for mid-year grades - many are offering honors college, and sharing research opportunities and study abroad options to encourage high stat students to attend.

NP. We received advice constructing my DC’s college list from the school counselor at our “Big3” private school. Rejected at 2 likely schools (safeties), one target, 1 reach. Deferred from 2 likely schools and 5 target schools. I think the counselor was giving good advice based on knowledge in hand and was blindsided by this year’s admission results. They are not following the patterns in scoir AT ALL.

Are you willing to share names of these safeties?

What you are saying makes sense if this were 2021. We are several years into this new world of admissions, though. If a school doesn’t accept more than 50% of applicants, it is not a true safety for anyone, period. This goes double/triple for majors like engineering, CS, business, and neuroscience.

This is spot on. I don’t know think most college counselors appreciate this. I know I didn’t had a parent new to this process. I see so many parents with juniors now making the same bad assumptions.

So far my high stats kid (Mcps magnet, 4.0 UW, 13 AP, 35 ACT) has only gotten into 2 safeties and UMd honors college. Deferrals from the rest of EA.

Weird tangential Q, what mcps magnet has room for 13APs? Or, did your kid self study on a few based on a similar magnetclass? I have kids at 2 different magnets, and I don’t see how this is possible with the magnet schedules. Which magnet is this?

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all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

so... currently no where to go and quite uneasy. Very high stats all round great kid and counselors are puzzled. Don't really know what to do other than to keep waiting and have her knock her supplemental information forms (if they have them) out of the park. UVA only wanted her to check a box and submit grades.

I'm so sorry, that must be stressful. Can she update her apps with anything? Hoping for her!

Anonymous wrote:This is probably what PP means:

The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

Wow, can't believe editors missed typo in title: it's Ivies, not Ivy's

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Anonymous wrote:Last year mine got deferrals from all 3 Ivies he applied to, full ride from state flagship honors program with CS major, full pay from top LAC, half tuition scholarship from a non-ivy top 10. In hindsight, its great he didn't get into Ivies as full pay sticker price would've seriously weakened our finances.

Need based aid?

How do you get deferred from 3 Ivies? All Ivies are either ED or single choice early action, meaning you can only apply early to one Ivy, no? Do you mean you kid was waitlisted?

Anonymous wrote:Last year mine got deferrals from all 3 Ivies he applied to, full ride from state flagship honors program with CS major, full pay from top LAC, half tuition scholarship from a non-ivy top 10. In hindsight, its great he didn't get into Ivies as full pay sticker price would've seriously weakened our finances.

How could kid be deferred at 3 Ivies? They are all scea or ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, high stats and Deferred by both targets(yield protection) and reaches

If a school is a target, I would think your kid's stats are no higher than the 75th percentile for the school. So why would yield protection come into play?

I am referring to schools that ranks 40-50 like northeastern and case western for very high stats kids with SAT 1550+, most rigorous with 10+ AP

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Neither of these are a safety because they are known to yield protect. I believe Case is also need aware. In any case, for very high stat students, you would need to ED to these schools. There are plenty of schools that are similarly ranked that do not yield protect which would make much better choices as lsafeties.

These are DC’s targets, not safeties. But we don’t want to do ED to these.

That’s fine, but that takes them out of the target category.

So what are the targets for high stat kids, they are either reaches or safeties. Even those ranked 40 -50 cannot be targets
They either yield protect or are OOS public that are as hard to get in as top 15

Some of the “safeties” are actually targets. That is the unfortunate answer.
You combat yield protection with demonstrated interest. Did you do an official tour at Case?

Also, Northeastern only admitted 6% last year. That makes it an automatic reach for everyone. The categorization is not just based on stats. The admit rate plays a big role.

Ignore the rankings - they are not related to reach vs safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, high stats and Deferred by both targets(yield protection) and reaches

If a school is a target, I would think your kid's stats are no higher than the 75th percentile for the school. So why would yield protection come into play?

I am referring to schools that ranks 40-50 like northeastern and case western for very high stats kids with SAT 1550+, most rigorous with 10+ AP

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Neither of these are a safety because they are known to yield protect. I believe Case is also need aware. In any case, for very high stat students, you would need to ED to these schools. There are plenty of schools that are similarly ranked that do not yield protect which would make much better choices as lsafeties.

These are DC’s targets, not safeties. But we don’t want to do ED to these.

That’s fine, but that takes them out of the target category.

So what are the targets for high stat kids, they are either reaches or safeties. Even those ranked 40 -50 cannot be targets
They either yield protect or are OOS public that are as hard to get in as top 15

NE and CW are on so many students' lists. People need to be more expansive in where they apply. I think kids should stop applying EA to schools that also have ED. Those schools are just trying to increase apps. If your kid doesn't want to ED to those schools, then apply RD. But also apply RD to some less popular school. There are so many colleges/universities in this country. Why is everyone focused on the same 50-70 schools? The fact that NE got almost 100,000 apps is just stupid. The schools gaming the system should be boycotted. Schools with rolling admissions, ED, and RD are what we should encourage our kids to focus on.

This is probably what PP means:

The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

Anonymous wrote:5 deferrals
0 rejections
0 acceptances

Deferrals from two safeties, two matches, one reach. Not feeling great but pretty hopeful that at least one of the deferrals will be an acceptance. Has another 8 apps out in RD round, two are safeties--which I would hate for her to go to. My 2021 kid had 6 deferrals and no acceptances at this point as well, and 4 of the 6 were acceptances in RD, the other two were waitlists. I think it will be fine, but also think my kid is one of very few with no safety acceptances at least at this point.

This must be so tough. Hang in there! Hoping they get some good news.